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Old 06-16-2020, 05:38 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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This is the problem with talking about things like "black people" and "white people" as if you can make accurate statements about entire groups of people without looking at context and details. If we compared a successful black person with, say, my parents who live in a trailer park and can barely afford groceries...which one is more 'privileged?' Is that even a fair question when we should be trying to help all people live better?

The successful black man gets pulled over by cops just for being black--which may very well endanger his life-- but at the same time has a beautiful home, good health care, a meaningful career etc. My parents, and many people in their community can't afford dental care and other necessities. They have horrific sub-standard health care. My dad is an invalid from going into septic shock after their crap hospital botched a routine surgery. They must have not seen his white privilege. People literally die from lack of decent health care and from 'deaths of despair' all over poor white America. Aren't they both struggling in different ways?

Racism is real and should be pointed out every time it occurs so we can fix it. But not all whites are privileged! Many live powerless lives in depressing communities where people have little to do all day but pop pills and sleep. Poverty is real---and it is absurd to persist with this white privilege narrative when many whites are living in abject poverty and powerlessness. It's like rubbing salt on a wound. Why do we have to think in such binary terms?
Sorry to hear about your folks' troubles, sincerely.

However, you seem to misunderstand the idea of white privilege based on this post.

You do rightly point out that there are other forms of privilege beyond race-based scenarios.
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Old 06-16-2020, 05:48 AM
 
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Thoughts? Jon Stewart blowing it out his a$$ yet again.
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Old 06-16-2020, 06:19 AM
 
Location: NY
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Sorry to hear about your folks' troubles, sincerely.

However, you seem to misunderstand the idea of white privilege based on this post.

You do rightly point out that there are other forms of privilege beyond race-based scenarios.
Thank you.

How would you interpret his idea of white privilege and 'two Americas?'

The way I read it, he seems to be saying that there are 'two Americas' in that we are segregated primarily by race, and that is enforced through policing. That theory is becoming the pre-eminent ideology and interpretive lens of this cultural moment: that race is everything. It's like in Marx--economic class is everything. Or like some radical feminists who say that misogyny is everything. It is the one and primary lens that human experience, and even history, is forced to be interpreted through.

I have a problem with grand sweeping ideologies like that because they distort reality in service to ideology. Then, they justify extreme and reckless things (like getting rid of police) to bring about the radical change that their ideology says is the only way to fix things. Grand sweeping ideologies like this lead to nowhere good, IMO. It's not that I don't think they make valid points, however.
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Old 06-16-2020, 06:31 AM
 
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Thank you.

How would you interpret his idea of white privilege and 'two Americas?'

The way I read it, he seems to be saying that there are 'two Americas' in that we are segregated primarily by race, and that is enforced through policing. That theory is becoming the pre-eminent ideology and interpretive lens of this cultural moment: that race is everything. It's like in Marx--economic class is everything. Or like some radical feminists who say that misogyny is everything. It is the one and primary lens that human experience, and even history, is forced to be interpreted through.

I have a problem with grand sweeping ideologies like that because they distort reality in service to ideology. Then, they justify extreme and reckless things (like getting rid of police) to bring about the radical change that their ideology says is the only way to fix things. Grand sweeping ideologies like this lead to nowhere good, IMO. It's not that I don't think they make valid points, however.

White privilege doesn't mean that no white people ever experience any struggles or adversity in their lives.

I don't know if we're primarily separated by race, but it's certainly a pervasive and impactful way that we're separated still today. Yes.
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Old 06-16-2020, 06:34 AM
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A successful black man can look like another black hustler to some cops.
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Old 06-16-2020, 06:50 AM
 
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How would he know?
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Old 06-16-2020, 08:06 AM
 
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“There’s not a white person out there who would want to be treated like even a successful black person in this country. And if we don’t address the why of that treatment, the how is just window dressing,” the former Comedy Central host said. “The policing is an issue, but it’s the least of it. We use the police as surrogates to quarantine these racial and economic inequalities so that we don’t have to deal with them.”

Thoughts?
Let me be Snoop for a day.
Stewart used to be reasonable, he's somehow lost his senses and is into drama. Maybe he's trying to be relevant again.
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Old 06-16-2020, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Texas
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White privilege doesn't mean that no white people ever experience any struggles or adversity in their lives.

I don't know if we're primarily separated by race, but it's certainly a pervasive and impactful way that we're separated still today. Yes.
People choose to self segregate. It's free will and it's beautiful to use it. I encourage everyone to exercise free will while not violating the rights of the individual.
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Old 06-16-2020, 08:14 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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People choose to self segregate. It's free will and it's beautiful to use it. I encourage everyone to exercise free will while not violating the rights of the individual.
That is not at all what's under discussion here, however.

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Old 06-16-2020, 08:37 AM
 
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I think all of us, white or black, can agree that we'd prefer to be treated like a member of Stewart's ethnic group.
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