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Old 06-24-2020, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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It is sad. But what do you expect from liberal/progressives that hate the Constitution and hate America as it is supposed to be. They want a long term locked downed society where the all powerful government grants you selected, restricted privileges instead of having natural rights as human beings. I don't.
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Old 06-24-2020, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Government is merely a necessary evil. It must be minimized by The People. We don't work for government, it works for us.
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Old 06-24-2020, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Irony: The big gun guys were mostly talking about the government having to fear armed citizens. This only played to gun guys. In a real shooting civil war anyone fighting the government will never see the helicopter that killed them.

Then the left goes nuts in Seattle, riots, looting and the street takeovers... And breathes MASSIVE new life into pro 2A side. The NRA should take out an ad with a pic of thugs beating on someones car with them trapped inside with the 2 simple words written at the top: THANK YOU.
Let me put it to you this way. It's highly unlikely that the Pentagon's arsenal would be used against American civilians. They'd have to obliterate every single town, village, city and neighborhood. If so the military would have to destroy their own friends, family and neighborhoods. There would be absolutely nothing left for them to come back to. If the civilian population were destroyed who'd supply the military with supplies? There'd be nobody left to work the factories, farm the fields and deliver the supplies. All commerce would come to a grinding halt.

About the only way they could possibly do it would be to go on house to house searches where they would be met with overwhelming and fierce resistance. With a continental land mass of 3,800,000 square miles they just don't have the manpower to search every home throughout the United States. Not too mention all of the remote areas that hardly anyone knows even exist. Indeed there are tens of thousands of people who live in these places throughout the United States. The armed civilian population are scattered all over the continental United States, Alaska and Hawaii. It would be impossible for the military to declare and enforce Martial Law throughout the entire United States.

The armed civilian population at around 100 million or so would vastly outnumber government forces. According to Wikipedia, there are 1,477,896 active and 1,458,500 reserve personal in the US Armed Forces. This includes Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard. I'd be willing to bet that at least 75% of those who serve in the military are strong supporters of the 2nd Amendment and Constitutional law same for state and local law enforcement personnel. My guess is that the majority of service members would disobey orders, and in all probability would use their weapons against those that ordered them to do so. It wouldn't surprise me if they joined forces with the civilian population that takes up arms in the fight against a tyrannical form of government. The first to go would be the politicians that gave the orders.

There would be a guerrilla war. The United States with it's superior military force couldn't beat back the North Vietnamese, short of using nuclear weapons. In which case there would have been a third world war and the end of all life as we know it.

I don't think that you've thought this out very well?
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Old 06-24-2020, 08:04 AM
 
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The fundamental difference is the US system is designed for the people to control the government !!! We don't trust the government and want to limit its control !!!

Other countries their system is designed for the government to control the citizens !!! As you say, they don't trust their citizens !!!
Unadulterated horse pucky!

A significant number of first world countries with measurable rights and freedoms greater than yours VOTED to keep firearms restricted.

Here's where you're at with all your guns:

https://www.businessinsider.com/coun...e-world-2018-4
Not even in the top 25!

https://ourworldindata.org/human-rights
U.S. an abysmal score of .24 but you did beat Ghana by a tenth of a point.

Your trite platitudes are timeworn, no longer relevant and ironic considering people getting shot is what's got your country in the current state of unrest its in.
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Old 06-24-2020, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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You miss the point, deliberately.

You don't have a 'right' to police the community. If it was an individual right we would have anarchy and no one would be safe. That right belongs to the state.
No, but we do have the right to protect our personal lives, property and businesses.
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Old 06-24-2020, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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My tentative opinion is that you're nuts. You want people to carry guns so that they can start executing fellow citizens?

No one has said they don't want to pay for policing. What they're saying is that policing should have clear duties and clear boundaries.
My tentative opinion is that you're nuts.
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Old 06-24-2020, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Government is merely a necessary evil. It must be minimized by The People. We don't work for government, it works for us.
Not according to Joe Biden who shouted: "I don't work for you."

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Old 06-24-2020, 08:25 AM
 
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No, but we do have the right to protect our personal lives, property and businesses.
That explains why there are so many (hundreds) business's destroyed today all over the U.S.

I guess all those business owner's just couldn't afford or didn't have the courage to actually use firearms to protect their million dollar franchises.

Mom and pop stores totally reliant upon their business income just didn't feel like shooting someone last week.

The stated as absolute right to use your firearms to protect either yourself, your property or your business is fictional at best considering the caveats attached.

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Old 06-25-2020, 05:15 AM
 
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That explains why there are so many (hundreds) business's destroyed today all over the U.S.

I guess all those business owner's just couldn't afford or didn't have the courage to actually use firearms to protect their million dollar franchises.

Mom and pop stores totally reliant upon their business income just didn't feel like shooting someone last week.

The stated as absolute right to use your firearms to protect either yourself, your property or your business is fictional at best considering the caveats attached.

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No, but we do have the right to protect our personal lives, property and businesses.

That explains why there are so many (hundreds) business's destroyed today all over the U.S"

No, that explains how YOU do NOT know that just HAVING a "right" is NOT the same as EXERCISING that right!

And how you ignore ALL those business's are in DEM controlled big cities. The FACT that you don't know the difference is glaring.
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Old 06-25-2020, 05:18 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Not according to Joe Biden who shouted: "I don't work for you."
At least Biden is being honest just this once. He works for the Chinese and Ukraine! Not the American citizen, that is for sure. Man!!!!
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