Lowest Covid deaths since March 24th...bet you didn't see that on the news (racist, murder)
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I took the OP's post to show optimism of the significant downward trend in deaths.
Of course, the echo chamber fake news media will not report the favorable trend. They are 99% propaganda 99% of the time.
If the media has their way, and the U.S. becomes a Socialist country, the only death count we'll be watching will be media member deaths. That is what happens when Socialists rise to power....they kill the media to squash freedom of the press. Somehow, the fake news media hasn't figured that out yet.
Promoting an irrational fear over a virus in order to terrorize the citizens of this country is ghoulish.
Promoting irrational fear? Is that what New York did? Wuhan when they locked down 11 million people? Italy? Now Brazil with mass graves and out of control infection. Was that all irrational fear?
You think the death toll looks good? Compared to what? Taiwan with a total of 7 deaths, 446 cases and 434 recovered vs the US with 2,32 million cases, 722 recovered and 122 thousand deaths. You're happy with just a couple of hundred people dying every day?
Well, one thing about you supporters with your he can do no wrong cult like devotion is that you are easy to please and have incredibly low standards.
I want what Taiwan's having. A stellar response instead of third world status and lies. A strong government coordinated effort that stopped the virus dead in its tracks without disruption to the economy vs some despot wanna be's lies, deflection, and inability to have "all the best people in place" to handle this pandemic.
I watched those morons cheer as Trump said that he told his administration to slow down the testing so the numbers would look better. SMH at how really stupid America has become. We're an embarrassment.
The media isn't the problem, dumb American's are the problem.
Increases are due to increases in testing. This stupid hoax is nothing more than the entity illegally occupying the mainland region of China (I now refuse to refer to them as China, the real China is in exile on the island of Taiwan) ordering the w.h.o. to mandate that people with certain symptoms are no longer treated. 6 months ago, these symptoms would have gotten you an antibiotic and steroid. Now, just a "good luck." Which is one key reason primarily minority areas are getting the hardest hit. There is a huge disparity of care between low-income minority areas and middle class and up white areas. The latter category still has doctors willing to treat people, while the former isn't, they're going to adhere closely to cdc/who guidance to minimize the chances of being sued. People can still die even with treatment, that's been happening from these symptoms since before "corona" was even a thing, just now, the under-funded clinics and urgent cares are only going to stick to "guidance" so if someone does die, there's a paper trail that shows no errors were committed.
That would work if it was true. The idea that an increase in cases is due to an increase in testing is not why Florida, Texas and Arizona are seeing cases rise. We are setting new case numbers that are exponential in each state and beyond the percent of increasing in testing. Especially in the last week. An exponential increase debunks the conservative talking point that Pence told governors to use last week during a teleconference.
Increases are due to increases in testing. This stupid hoax is nothing more than the entity illegally occupying the mainland region of China (I now refuse to refer to them as China, the real China is in exile on the island of Taiwan) ordering the w.h.o. to mandate that people with certain symptoms are no longer treated. 6 months ago, these symptoms would have gotten you an antibiotic and steroid. Now, just a "good luck." Which is one key reason primarily minority areas are getting the hardest hit. There is a huge disparity of care between low-income minority areas and middle class and up white areas. The latter category still has doctors willing to treat people, while the former isn't, they're going to adhere closely to cdc/who guidance to minimize the chances of being sued. People can still die even with treatment, that's been happening from these symptoms since before "corona" was even a thing, just now, the under-funded clinics and urgent cares are only going to stick to "guidance" so if someone does die, there's a paper trail that shows no errors were committed.
That's demonstrably false, Matt.
Unlike you, who is here passing off baseless claims, I'm going to demonstrate exactly why my assertion is factually correct.
Let's just take Florida, where COVID-19 is currently surging. Here is yesterday's daily report. This comes right from the Florida Division of Emergency Management.
Thursday, June 18 - 2701 new cases (record high)
Friday, June 19 - 3311 new cases (new record high)
Saturday, June 20 - 4024 new cases (another new record high)
Sunday, June 21 - 4671 new cases (yet another record high)
Going all the way back to June 7, we see there were 1029 new cases in Florida on that date. Thus, the number of new daily cases more than quadrupled in two weeks.
But testing?
Sorry, Matt. Here's where you're exposed as promulgating nonsense. While June 7 saw 27935 tests cases, June 20 saw 41028 tests.
In those two weeks, cases increased more than 450% while testing increased less than 50%.
On June 7, less than 6% of administered tests were positive. On June 20 more than 13% of tests were positive.
It has nothing to do with more tests - the positive rate is spiking.
PS - Matt, when you complain that part of the problem with a viral pandemic is that people aren't being prescribed antibiotics (which are by definition used against bacterial infections, and utterly useless against viruses) you expose yourself as having not the foggiest idea of what you're talking about.
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Originally Posted by BruSan
Huge numbers infected today, if all conditions remain the same, eg; no vaccine, will undoubtedly translate to increased numbers of deaths later -
What will be your excuses then?
*Grrrrr, the media!
*It's Obama's fault!
*But the Bubonic Plague was worse!
*Well, look, Grandma would've died eventually anyway.
*Hey, look everybody, Trump can drink water one-handed!
It's actually a mixture of many things. There is no question that more testing is leading to more confirmed cases - that's just a mathematical certainty. But WHY are more people getting tests? No one's knocked on my door. Nope. So more tests are (in part) because more people have symptoms - and get a test.
But as has been pointed out - there is no single location where even an exponential rise in confirmed cases will put a very noticeable blip on the nationwide death toll. Only NYC had that capacity. They are done now.
Locally, however - a huge rise is a huge rise -and using up many of your ICUs - is not a (locally) good sign - but it's been entirely predicable. Every population center either has or will go through this.
Now - will the number of deaths continue to rise proportionately? Hard to say. Maybe (as Italy thinks) it's not as potent - so - nope, fewer deaths, no matter how many get sick. That would be worth recognizing in the news, on both sides.
Unlike you, who is here passing off baseless claims, I'm going to demonstrate exactly why my assertion is factually correct.
Let's just take Florida, where COVID-19 is currently surging. Here is yesterday's daily report. This comes right from the Florida Division of Emergency Management.
Thursday, June 18 - 2701 new cases (record high)
Friday, June 19 - 3311 new cases (new record high)
Saturday, June 20 - 4024 new cases (another new record high)
Sunday, June 21 - 4671 new cases (yet another record high)
Going all the way back to June 7, we see there were 1029 new cases in Florida on that date. Thus, the number of new daily cases more than quadrupled in two weeks.
But testing?
Sorry, Matt. Here's where you're exposed as promulgating nonsense. While June 7 saw 27935 tests cases, June 20 saw 41028 tests.
In those two weeks, cases increased more than 450% while testing increased less than 50%.
On June 7, less than 6% of administered tests were positive. On June 20 more than 13% of tests were positive.
It has nothing to do with more tests - the positive rate is spiking.
Because we're finding the asymptomatic and low-symptom people now with the increased testing. What happened to those antibody tests we heard about? It seems like when it finally came out that tons more people were infected than thought, that all those tests were quietly buried.
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PS - Matt, when you complain that part of the problem with a viral pandemic is that people aren't being prescribed antibiotics (which are by definition used against bacterial infections, and utterly useless against viruses) you expose yourself as having not the foggiest idea of what you're talking about.
Wrong, go back and re-read what I wrote, I said they aren't being treated, an antibiotic is one part of that treatment. But if antibiotics have no benefit then why was it working? Or all all these doctors just quacks? For one, antibiotics aren't tiny little robots with a single purpose, they are chemicals which happen to also have a particular effect. Molecular biology is so incredibly complex that it is impossible to believe that they have literally no effect. Plus, antibiotics were being studied as a possible treatment in concert with other medications. So maybe I should say a steroid and antibiotic then, reverse the order. Regardless, there was treatment being provided as opposed to now. For two, even if the antibiotic itself doesn't affect a virus, and it was the steroid that was saving people, it's still useful to stave off secondary infections. The human immune system isn't unlimited, being attacked by one pathogen reduces its ability to fight another one so providing an antibiotic aids the immune system while it fights off the virus.
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Originally Posted by roodd279
It's actually a mixture of many things. There is no question that more testing is leading to more confirmed cases - that's just a mathematical certainty. But WHY are more people getting tests? No one's knocked on my door. Nope. So more tests are (in part) because more people have symptoms - and get a test.
I don't believe the bolded is required anymore. You can pretty much drive up and get a test. Plus, now that more routine surgeries are beginning to take place, getting a test is now part of preop, so people going in for things like dialysis surgeries, or ankle surgeries, are now getting tested.
Yes because Covid is not going to just magically vanish
Unlike Trump's earlier misleading claims. Thanks for that acknowledgement.
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Luckily it has a 99% survival rate
That depends a great deal upon whether you are number 100, but that is lucky for most of the rest.
A 1% mortality rate has the potential to kill 3,282,000 Americans in a few years as this thing works around among us. For perspective this is far worse than the opioid epidemic which costs 130 lives per day and has upset a lot of people.
By slowing the spread down, we make it possible for more people to survive, thank God, through the mechanism of keeping the medical centers from becoming overwhelmed. That is an important point, the thing is so infectious that it can quickly overwhelm some local community hospitals and more people will die who could have, and should have, lived.
The dark underside of this 99% survival rate is that two or three percent of the population, possibly more, will have lasting damage to their lungs, heart tissue and possibly also kidneys. This scarring is irreversible and people will have to live with it, the pain and difficulty breathing or even urinating ... and also the financial burden that comes with it. People don't seem to be talking about this very much.
We are watching an unfolding national tragedy we must address seriously.
Because we're finding the asymptomatic and low-symptom people now with the increased testing. What happened to those antibody tests we heard about? It seems like when it finally came out that tons more people were infected than thought, that all those tests were quietly buried.
Wrong, go back and re-read what I wrote, I said they aren't being treated, an antibiotic is one part of that treatment. But if antibiotics have no benefit then why was it working? Or all all these doctors just quacks? For one, antibiotics aren't tiny little robots with a single purpose, they are chemicals which happen to also have a particular effect. Molecular biology is so incredibly complex that it is impossible to believe that they have literally no effect. Plus, antibiotics were being studied as a possible treatment in concert with other medications. So maybe I should say a steroid and antibiotic then, reverse the order. Regardless, there was treatment being provided as opposed to now. For two, even if the antibiotic itself doesn't affect a virus, and it was the steroid that was saving people, it's still useful to stave off secondary infections. The human immune system isn't unlimited, being attacked by one pathogen reduces its ability to fight another one so providing an antibiotic aids the immune system while it fights off the virus.
I don't believe the bolded is required anymore. You can pretty much drive up and get a test. Plus, now that more routine surgeries are beginning to take place, getting a test is now part of preop, so people going in for things like dialysis surgeries, or ankle surgeries, are now getting tested.
Texas Covid-19 hospitalizations are 125% up since Memorial day. The positive test rate has doubled since Memorial day. Let us know what kind of "increased testing" spin would you like to use
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Promoting irrational fear? Is that what New York did? Wuhan when they locked down 11 million people? Italy? Now Brazil with mass graves and out of control infection. Was that all irrational fear? 
