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Originally Posted by Old Gringo
And that attitude exemplifies the lunatic fringe on the right: "It's all about ME and to hell with everyone else!" (I ain't gonna wear no stinkin' mask)
Seems the view on the left is more, "We're all in this together." (my mask protects you from me, your mask protects me from you)
Trump do not have legal authority to tell us what to do
And you sure as heck won't do it simply because it's the right thing to do will you? Your 'rebellion' is more important than saving lives. I cannot tell you how gutless and stupid it looks to make THAT the hill to stand on.
Current projection is 208,000 dead by Nov. 1 (per IHME). That number drops to 163,000 if Trump issues a national mask order today.
The fate of 45,000 people is in Donald Trump's hands, right here, right now.
I realize the numbers are projected via modeling and in actually deaths have slowed or remained steady while actual positive cases have risen, but have they recorded if the Covid patients who died had worn masks or not or if mask mandates were in place in the state/county where they lived?
Current projection is 208,000 dead by Nov. 1 (per IHME). That number drops to 163,000 if Trump issues a national mask order today.
The fate of 45,000 people is in Donald Trump's hands, right here, right now.
Trump cannot make such an order outside of a congressional declaration of national martial law, which would then grant him that power.
In April and May, everyone was hysterical at Trump's suggestion that he could tell governors when to rescind/relax stay-at-home orders, and the NYT, WaPo, LATimes, CNN, MSDNC, etc were all shrieking 24/7 about the federalism limits to Trump's power. They were right then, and that makes them wrong now.
His constitutional limits have not changed. What has changed is the narrative, as it always does, to whatever makes him look worst in the moment. If shrieking about federalism and limits to executive power make him look bad, all of a sudden the mainstream media become constitutional scholars. If following the limits of his power under that same Constitution and not waving an imperial EO hand at the entire country (which he simply cannot do anyway) makes him look bad, then those same mainstream media scholars of all things constitutional and federalist all of a sudden forget about both concepts entirely...because it makes Trump look bad if they do.
Now which is it? Is Trump Lord and Master of All He Surveys, where he can order states to do whatever he demands, or isn't he? Because if he does not have the unilateral power to tell the sovereign states to do Thing A, then he doesn't have the unilateral power to tell the sovereign states to do Thing B. He can do ANY unilateral thing he wants, or he can do NO unilateral thing he wants. Now which is it?
Think carefully, and don't tap dance around with the "well, he could use his office to make suggestions and the governors would follow his lead so uhm, political reasons because political sorta kinda" nonsense. Can he or can he not simply wave a hand (pen) and command every single person in America to do as he commands? Does your President have that power, and do you want him to?
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