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Around here it is just the opposite. I see, I would estimate, about 20% of people in general wearing a mask while in public. There are a few businesses that, early-on, required a mask. Most have dropped that because they had very few customers and were in danger of going under. I know I walked away from a few and simply ordered what I wanted from Amazon. If you wear a mask, or full hazmat suit, I couldn't care less. Just keep your nose out of my affairs. And if you are a business that wants to require one, fine. Just don't bellyache if you have very few customers.
Well Chris I think after a few more weeks of new cases spiraling out of control, most people might get it through their head that wearing masks, contact tracing and social distancing is the only way we can get out of this mess.
Well Chris I think after a few more weeks of new cases spiraling out of control, most people might get it through their head that wearing masks, contact tracing and social distancing is the only way we can get out of this mess.
Do you honestly believe that people will talk to contact tracers? We been taught from early age not to answer unknown phone numbers. As for social distancing, i am not seeing it happening .
Well Chris I think after a few more weeks of new cases spiraling out of control, most people might get it through their head that wearing masks, contact tracing and social distancing is the only way we can get out of this mess.
Looking at the "official stats" that come up when you run a search on the net (if we can trust them), here is what I get when I crunch a few numbers for comparison:
South Dakota (lax restrictions concerning covid. No mask requirement. No shutdown or lock down):
* Rate of covid infection within population: 0.8%
* Rate of death recorded as covid within population: 0.01%
Utah (lax restrictions that thankfully will stay that way for now. No mask requirement. Shutdown lifted)
* Rate of covid infection within population: 0.9%
* Rate of death recorded as covid within population: 0.006%
New York (very tight restrictions concerning covid. Lock downs aplenty. Mask requirements):
* Rate of covid infection within population: 2.0%
* Rate of death recorded as covid within population: 0.2%
Sweden (very lax requirements concerning covid. Basically nothing besides recommending good hygiene):
* Rate of covid infection within population: 0.7%
* Rate of death recorded as covid within population: 0.04%
Thoughts concerning the varying strategies used to "fight" covid? Seems the stats aren't exactly correlating to your beliefs on the matter.
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As a side note: Sweden's Public Health Agency states that the scientific evidence does not support public use of face masks. The government has also warned that wearing them might create a false sense of security, and that public use of masks could do more harm than good.
And their disease/fatality rate doesn't look any worse than some of the countries and states with heavy restrictions/mandates from what I've seen.
Looking at the "official stats" that come up when you run a search on the net (if we can trust them), here is what I get when I crunch a few numbers for comparison:
South Dakota (lax restrictions concerning covid. No mask requirement. No shutdown or lock down):
* Rate of covid infection within population: 0.8%
* Rate of death recorded as covid within population: 0.01%
Utah (lax restrictions that thankfully will stay that way for now. No mask requirement. Shutdown lifted)
* Rate of covid infection within population: 0.9%
* Rate of death recorded as covid within population: 0.006%
New York (very tight restrictions concerning covid. Lock downs aplenty. Mask requirements):
* Rate of covid infection within population: 2.0%
* Rate of death recorded as covid within population: 0.2%
Sweden (very lax requirements concerning covid. Basically nothing besides recommending good hygiene):
* Rate of covid infection within population: 0.7%
* Rate of death recorded as covid within population: 0.04%
Thoughts concerning the varying strategies used to "fight" covid? Seems the stats aren't exactly correlating to your beliefs on the matter.
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As a side note: Sweden's Public Health Agency states that the scientific evidence does not support public use of face masks. The government has also warned that wearing them might create a false sense of security, and that public use of masks could do more harm than good.
And their disease/fatality rate doesn't look any worse than some of the countries and states with heavy restrictions/mandates from what I've seen.
What is the cart and what is the horse? It is the infection rate driving mitigation efforts, not vice versa.
"The scientist behind Sweden’s controversial Covid-19 strategy said he’s willing to reconsider using face masks, after previously seeing little benefit in them.
Anders Tegnell, Sweden’s state epidemiologist and the architect of its hands-off response to the coronavirus pandemic, said there are situations in which it might be advisable for people to cover their mouths and noses."
"The Swedish epidemiologist has repeatedly made international headlines since advising against a full lockdown. He’s subsequently admitted that more restrictions might have been necessary, but refused to abandon his strategy. Meanwhile, Sweden has one of the world’s highest Covid mortality rates."
Looking at the "official stats" that come up when you run a search on the net (if we can trust them), here is what I get when I crunch a few numbers for comparison:
South Dakota (lax restrictions concerning covid. No mask requirement. No shutdown or lock down):
* Rate of covid infection within population: 0.8%
* Rate of death recorded as covid within population: 0.01%
Utah (lax restrictions that thankfully will stay that way for now. No mask requirement. Shutdown lifted)
* Rate of covid infection within population: 0.9%
* Rate of death recorded as covid within population: 0.006%
New York (very tight restrictions concerning covid. Lock downs aplenty. Mask requirements):
* Rate of covid infection within population: 2.0%
* Rate of death recorded as covid within population: 0.2%
Sweden (very lax requirements concerning covid. Basically nothing besides recommending good hygiene):
* Rate of covid infection within population: 0.7%
* Rate of death recorded as covid within population: 0.04%
Thoughts concerning the varying strategies used to "fight" covid? Seems the stats aren't exactly correlating to your beliefs on the matter.
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As a side note: Sweden's Public Health Agency states that the scientific evidence does not support public use of face masks. The government has also warned that wearing them might create a false sense of security, and that public use of masks could do more harm than good.
And their disease/fatality rate doesn't look any worse than some of the countries and states with heavy restrictions/mandates from what I've seen.
Tegnell is nuts he's some kind of hack libertarian. I have relatives in Sweden and they are disgusted with the way this has been handled. They said that in the rest homes if an old person with covid has trouble breathing they give them morphine, haldol and midazolam all of which suppress breathing - in essence euthanizing them.
"The scientist behind Sweden’s controversial Covid-19 strategy said he’s willing to reconsider using face masks, after previously seeing little benefit in them.
Anders Tegnell, Sweden’s state epidemiologist and the architect of its hands-off response to the coronavirus pandemic, said there are situations in which it might be advisable for people to cover their mouths and noses."
"The Swedish epidemiologist has repeatedly made international headlines since advising against a full lockdown. He’s subsequently admitted that more restrictions might have been necessary, but refused to abandon his strategy. Meanwhile, Sweden has one of the world’s highest Covid mortality rates."
Yet New York's mortality rate is higher. One player does nothing and gets a mortality rate that is lower than another player that practically locks their population in isolation boxes.
Also, your first point blows your argument that everyone should wear a mask. If the infection rate is low, by your logic, no mask should be required. Yet in previous posts you have implied that you believe everyone should wear a mask, period. Which is it? New York is two percent, South Dakota is less than a percent. Yet I just bet you would be the first in line for a nationwide mask mandate, wouldn't you? So indeed, what is the cart and what is the horse? Evidently for you, the two are somewhat hermaphorditical, so to speak.
Those stores will really love it when their corp profit is down and/or when they get sued for it.
Can't get sued for a requirement that is applied equally. Kinda like that "no shirt, no shoes, no service" thing.
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Originally Posted by ChrisC
Around here it is just the opposite. I see, I would estimate, about 20% of people in general wearing a mask while in public.
Do let us all know where you live ... so we can avoid the area.
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Originally Posted by suzy_q2010
Anders Tegnell, Sweden’s state epidemiologist and the architect of its hands-off response to the coronavirus pandemic, said there are situations in which it might be advisable for people to cover their mouths and noses."
"The Swedish epidemiologist has repeatedly made international headlines since advising against a full lockdown. He’s subsequently admitted that more restrictions might have been necessary, but refused to abandon his strategy. Meanwhile, Sweden has one of the world’s highest Covid mortality rates."
Good lord, why would anyone wear them if they knew they weren't effective? If one doubts the effectiveness of any given act or pursuit, one generally does not want to waste his or her time in that pursuit. That is, unless he or she is mentally deficient. If I knew that by wearing my mask, like a good little boy, I would suddenly make us all live forever and happily ever after, I would wear the damn thing. But as it is, I see no point in engaging in an activity that brings questionable, at best, benefits to anyone. If I see compelling evidence that was brought forth PRE-COVID, I'll reassess my stance. As it is, I've seen compelling evidence of just the opposite.
Over the course of my life, I've seen the medical and science community flip-flop back and forth on so many issues that I simply do not trust any of it without solid, conclusive evidence. Studies conducted since the outset of this plague, in my mind, are suspect from the get go because there is simply too much political "interference" in the scientific/medical community right now and too much "begging the question" to warrant any trust at all.
Why don't you ask the Doctors and Nurses, who wear them every day, around patients, whether they work or not, LOL.
Why don't you ask the Doctors and Nurses, who wear them every day, around patients, whether they work or not, LOL.
They typically DON'T wear cloth masks. You haven't been paying attention.
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