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Old 06-29-2020, 07:00 PM
 
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Abortion --- government don't tell me how to live my life and/or the choices I must make, I'll decide for myself what is right or wrong.

Slavery --- government don't tell me how to live my life and/or the choices I must make, I'll decide for myself what is right or wrong

Denial? There are two sides, to every story. People choose the one they like best.


PS: do you know why it was three-fifths?voting power by population count, slaves counted by districts which increased the delegates in the south. the union considered that to be --- unfair.
Use to have to own property to be able to vote. Now any bum can vote. Sometimes multiple times.
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Old 06-29-2020, 07:07 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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Use to have to own property to be able to vote. Now any bum can vote. Sometimes multiple times.
Probably because with all the corruption people see coming from those they voted for --- the population that vote continues to decrease --- they are trying to raise that number by looking the other way while they vote thrice and allowing non citizens to vote in local elections, as well. Changes erode ... in abundance these days. PS: where as standing by one's principles is increasing becoming a thing of the past.
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Old 06-30-2020, 07:02 AM
 
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Use to have to own property to be able to vote. Now any bum can vote. Sometimes multiple times.
I'd rather have it the way it is now than back in the day. I don't think owning property should be a requirement to vote.
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Old 06-30-2020, 09:56 AM
 
Location: North Pacific
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I'd rather have it the way it is now than back in the day. I don't think owning property should be a requirement to vote.
It has to do (as most all things does) with taxation ... if a person does not pay property taxes, it's believed they don't have a dog in the hunt.

Nonresident Property Owners and Voting in Local Elections: A Paradigm Shift?

" Nonresident voting has continued to attract election law interest as the seasonal homeowner population grows -- drawing more attention to property taxes.
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"Taxation without representation" was the cry that started a revolution. More than 200 years later, it is still fueling a debate that could affect a shift in election law."


Which also effects what this thread is about ... where as Representatives voted into office, by non citizens, that own property and those Representatives making changes in laws that effect local customs and traditions displayed in the public forum, which may or may not have anything to do with them. You can also run this all the way up the flag pole to the WH, that even though non citizen can not vote in the National Elections, they still made it possible for their person to get there --- Could be why the people in the u.s. frown on career politicians, but voted in a business man instead; shake things up a bit and see what falls out.

Poor people though do not normally vote. They were poor before the election and they are still poor after the election --- it is a pointless endeavor for them.
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Old 06-30-2020, 10:07 AM
 
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Use to have to own property to be able to vote. Now any bum can vote. Sometimes multiple times.
Can you define bums? Multiple times? Do you have research or links to back up your assertion?
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Old 06-30-2020, 10:08 AM
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The confederate flag is a symbol of division to me. We want unity, not division. If it's about history, then people can read it in their history books. Same for these confederate statutes. No need to have them. Replace them with trees.
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Old 06-30-2020, 11:09 AM
 
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The confederate flag is a symbol of division to me. We want unity, not division. If it's about history, then people can read it in their history books. Same for these confederate statutes. No need to have them. Replace them with trees.
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The confederate flag is a symbol of division to me.
Divide the States to stand independent of the union.

Absolute power, corrupts absolutely ... As long as more people believe that it is something it is not, the union is secure; keeping a centralized government in power and wage earners (slaves) money to benefit that power. The States can just go pound sand.

If the flag had not shown up in the 60s in the hands of people who were on the wrong side of history in that era --- we would not be having this conversation.

This black woman is proud of Confederate flag

"She's on a mission to get African-Americans represented in the Confederate Museum in Columbia, South Carolina."
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Old 06-30-2020, 11:37 AM
 
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Slavery --- government don't tell me how to live my life and/or the choices I must make, I'll decide for myself what is right or wrong
I'd say there was one group who was very much told by government how to live their life - that would be the people who were legally sold and bought. And the slave states had no issue using federal law to force the non-slave states to keep escaped slaves in bondage.

The Southern Gentlemen were just fine with using federal authority to overrule states' rights - as long as they got to be the ones making the federal rules. "States' Rights" only became a rallying cry once they realized they wouldn't be able to use federal law to dictate terms to the non-slave states.
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Old 06-30-2020, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Boston
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nobody cares.
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Old 06-30-2020, 11:46 AM
 
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nobody cares.
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