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It is just more evidence of the wisdom of real people.
Pursuant to the actual numbers... the corona virus is less deadly currently than it was before. It could be due to vitamin D but at the moment we don't know.
So this is the time to get it, this is the time for "heard immunity" to be accomplished. If you are under 40 you should be doing everything you can to get it.. so, that by the time the fall rolls around 50% of the population will have had it and also the virus will be less deadly.
Each day for a while the number of "infected" had been going up (It was pretty steady no matter what, having 20K or more cases all of May and June) yet the number of "serious cases" had not gone up, it has gone down. Currently only 1% of all cases worldwide are serious.
Places that already had outbreaks -- are NOT seeing increases in infections. Why? Probably because they have reached heard immunity. That includes, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Italy, Spain, etc. In addition, unlike March where Vitamin D is low in the northern hemisphere... this is the prime time for UVB in the northern hemisphere.
But southern hemisphere? Look at Brazil, they are double our current death rate with the same infections.
. Its a "hoax, Joke, liberal conspiracy, only adversely affects the 102 year olds. ".
What do we do now?
Hardcore govt intervention is the only course of action
Yet is it the young people, who are disproportionately Democrat's according to every survey done, who are the majority of people spreading the virus at the bars. I understand you want to make this about Trump supporters, but there simply are not enough Trump supporters to cause the spike. And the young are very rarely Trump supporters. It is the young getting and spreading the virus. This are young liberal Democrats being the number one cause of the spike now.
Maybe we should do the opposite and simply embrace covid, instead of fighting it, while the rest of the world laughs at us.
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Possibly just better to let it run it's course.
At this point, that is your least costly most effective option.
If you had competent government, it would be an issue.
The idiot Abbot is as dumb as the imbecile Cuomo.
All a governor has to do is activate the National Guard units with Blackhawks and Chinooks (and every State has at least one) and place the hospitals under the control of the State health director.
Then set up an Excel spreadsheet listing the hospitals, number of beds, ICU beds and ventilators, and the number in use.
Have hospitals phone, text or email their status every 12 hours.
If a hospital is about to be over-run, you send in the Blackhawks and Chinooks. They pick up the patients and fly them to a hospital that is not crowded or not as crowded.
If a hospital needs a ventilator and another hospital has one available, you have a Blackhawk land on the roof, put the ventilator onboard and fly it to the hospital that needs it.
If a semi-rural or rural hospital needs a pulmonary specialist, you put one on a helicopter and fly them out there.
No hospitals are over-run, medical staff aren't working like slaves 24/7 and killing COVID-19 patients because they're over-tired and making mistakes and everyone has what they need.
This is like 8th Grade stuff and your government can't figure it out.
It is just more evidence of the wisdom of real people.
Pursuant to the actual numbers... the corona virus is less deadly currently than it was before. It could be due to vitamin D but at the moment we don't know.
So this is the time to get it, this is the time for "heard immunity" to be accomplished. If you are under 40 you should be doing everything you can to get it.. so, that by the time the fall rolls around 50% of the population will have had it and also the virus will be less deadly.
Each day for a while the number of "infected" had been going up (It was pretty steady no matter what, having 20K or more cases all of May and June) yet the number of "serious cases" had not gone up, it has gone down. Currently only 1% of all cases worldwide are serious.
Places that already had outbreaks -- are NOT seeing increases in infections. Why? Probably because they have reached heard immunity. That includes, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Italy, Spain, etc. In addition, unlike March where Vitamin D is low in the northern hemisphere... this is the prime time for UVB in the northern hemisphere.
But southern hemisphere? Look at Brazil, they are double our current death rate with the same infections.
Get out there, spread COVID as fast as you can.
Deaths are a lagging factor by several weeks to a few months. The spikes in cases we're seeing now won't produce a new death-rate peak for a few weeks at least. The same thing happened at the beginning of this. On March 25th, the US had close to 70,000 confirmed cases and growing rapidly. That same day, the US hit 1,000 deaths for the first time and deaths were happening at a far slower rate. 2 weeks after that, on April 8th, there were 15,000 deaths. Another 2 weeks after that, on April 22nd, there were nearly 50,000 deaths, so deaths increased by a factor of 50 in just 4 weeks. We've seen the same thing in other nations, and in nations that have had 2nd waves. Iran, for example, started seeing a 2nd wave on May 1st a few weeks after it reopened. Death rates continued to drop until the final week of May, but have been rising ever since.
No one should get too comfortable with the relatively lower daily death counts right now. We're going to be seeing some horrific numbers soon enough... not that 129K deaths and 500-1000 per day right now is not horrific.
Herd immunity won't be happening anytime soon. A recent report put the total US infection rate at just 5%-8% so far. Herd immunity happens differently with different viruses, but the general consensus is 2/3rds of the population must get it before it starts being truly effective. At the rate we're going, accomplishing herd immunity would cost at least a million or more lives, far more than any pandemic in US history, including 1918.
Serious cases are NOT going down. The % of of serious cases to total cases has declined, but raw numbers are already increasing. Furthermore, the new daily total for the world is accelerating. It was averaging 100K new cases or less in May, but now we're seeing days approaching double that. Because of the aforementioned lag times in both hospitalizations and deaths, there is zero chance the number of serious cases and deaths also doesn't eventually accelerate.
New York, New Jersey, etc. are not seeing 2nd waves yet for the simple fact that they have maintained restrictions far longer and have never reopened to a significant degree. Every state or nation that has is now seeing new spikes. Every one that didn't is not. There is nothing magical about this.
Yet is it the young people, who are disproportionately Democrat's according to every survey done, who are the majority of people spreading the virus at the bars. I understand you want to make this about Trump supporters, but there simply are not enough Trump supporters to cause the spike. And the young are very rarely Trump supporters. It is the young getting and spreading the virus. This are young liberal Democrats being the number one cause of the spike now.
Dont forget it is the young that love to protest too .
Cases are rising because more testing is being done. Keep in mind this is the first time testing has been aggressively pursued with a virus, thus we are gaining data our tiny minds can't fully process yet.
Cases are rising because more testing is being done. Keep in mind this is the first time testing has been aggressively pursued with a virus, thus we are gaining data our tiny minds can't fully process yet.
Increased testing would not explain increases in hospitalizations and ICUs, nor the overall increases in % positive rates. For example, in my home state of Ohio, new positive cases reached their highest level this week since April. Overall tests did increase there this week, but the rate of % positive within those tests increased from an average of about 3.8% last week to over 5% this week. If there was little or no growth in community spread, the % positive number would go down with an increase of testing, not go up. The same is happening in a majority of states now.
Deaths are a lagging factor by several weeks to a few months. .
Oh the last line of the hysteria. But yes serious cases ARE going down. Fortunately for us sane people there are websites that put up the raw numbers. All during June the serious cases were in the high 16K in the usa. In the world it was 2% of the cases.
Just this week the serious cases dropped to 15 K and in the world they dropped to 1%.
Since the number of coronavirus cases has never been under 20K since March -- clearly that means the virus is less severe.
But you want to be hysterical. Fine, just don't tell me how to be.
It's not a hoax, not a joke and can affect any one of any age who contracts it.
I wear a face covering in public and use hand sanitizer often but it seems like the spread is to widespread because of the overcrowded living conditions in places where multi-generational households with grandparents and grandkids living in one apartment or small house.
I am not surprised Phoenix has a major COVID-19 issue. Extreme amounts of multi-generational households living in tiny homes and apartments with several kids who are often carriers without symptoms living with grandparents with the air conditioners spreading the virus around through air ducts.
Maryvale section of Phoenix which is one of the largest concentrations per capita in Arizona has always been a place that has tremendous amounts of flu's, norovirus, colds going around all year round.
I worked in Maryvale for a few weeks several years ago and had to quit my job and find something in Gilbert because Maryvale has always been a neighborhood of a wide variety of viruses from the living conditions they residents like to reside in.
Many of the people who live in the overcrowded areas of Phoenix likely don't even wear their face covering correctly.
I would venture to guess the people going out in Gilbert wear a face covering the way the CDC recommends, while in the overcrowded neighborhoods many wear the face coverings on chins or under the nose.
The areas of Phoenix that have the highest cases of COVID-19 always have a virus going around whether it's a flu, cold, norovirus because of the crowded conditions they prefer to live in.
Doesn't help in Phoenix that some of the areas with the highest household sizes are right next to retiree areas and they go to the same stores.
Many residents who live in Sun City are very close to Alhambra and Maryvale which have a massive amount of COVID, haven't been to the area but I venture to guess that many in Maryvale have no idea to wear a face covering the way that is recommended.
The reason why the United States has such an issue is the lifestyles of many of those in certain cities. They crowd themselves into little apartments and little houses multiple families or very large households and the virus spreads throughout these cities because of it.
Seems like other countries and even cities here in America where people live one or two to a house that the rates are much lower and everything would have been been close to normal now.
Or how about the fact it’s hot in Arizona and people want stay indoors for air conditioning?
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