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View Poll Results: if black americans were "model minorities", would we still have racial tension?
Yes, racism and hate would still exist as it does today 33 17.37%
Some, but a lot less 92 48.42%
No, racism as it currently exists in the US would cease to exist 55 28.95%
Don't know 10 5.26%
Voters: 190. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-03-2020, 09:04 PM
 
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Where are the rallies and the interventions and the threads on here about this. Poor urban whites have higher rates of violence than poor urban blacks.
That doesn't prove anything but that poor whites suffer more as victims. You are conflating victimization and offender rates. Half the time a white person is a victim of violent crime by a hispanic or black offender. You are misusing statistics.

 
Old 07-03-2020, 09:12 PM
 
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That doesn't prove anything but that poor whites suffer more as victims. You are conflating victimization and offender rates. Half the time a white person is a victim of violent crime by a hispanic or black offender. You are misusing statistics.
source?
 
Old 07-03-2020, 09:25 PM
 
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source?
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rhovo1215.pdf

table 6,
White victim
White offender* 2,081,520 45.9%
Black offender 540,350† 47.2
Hispanic offender 406,450† 45.1
Black victim
White offender 92,810 † 57.4%
Black offender* 537,470 51.7
Hispanic offender 55,790 † 47.0

There are slighly more white victims of a black offender than black victims.
 
Old 07-03-2020, 09:26 PM
 
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Humans have FREE WILL.
This is not true. If I had free will then I would not have been raped. I would not have been forced to marry as a child. Had I free will then I would not have been beaten and had my head bashed into the wall and other surfaces over and over again leaving me with permanent brain damage while society blamed me for 'making him mad.' Had I free will then I would not have been forced to live alone while the men sometimes would approach me a little, see my bi-racial child from the many rapes, and leave. I was a child and didn't get to choose. The adults got to decide my fate. I was not allowed to have anything resembling the mythical 'free will' God's children like to spout off about. I will never know what it's like to be asked out on a date. I will never have a guy fall in love with me or give me flowers. I can never have a family that loves me. He had injured me so bad that I had to have a hysterectomy when I was in my early 20s, so I can never have any more children. He will never be punished for what he did to me. No one ever even cared. Instead, people constantly blame me for "making bad choices" and claim I chose what happened to me. I was powerless to stop it.

I've even had therapists ask me over the years 'well why don't you just date black men then?' I never chose to be with one in the first place. Why should I have to settle for that in order to have companionship? What did I do to deserve that? What did I do to deserve being rejected by my own race because I was a victim? Why didn't I deserve justice for what happened to me?
 
Old 07-03-2020, 09:32 PM
 
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https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rhovo1215.pdf

table 6,
White victim
White offender* 2,081,520 45.9%
Black offender 540,350† 47.2
Hispanic offender 406,450† 45.1
Black victim
White offender 92,810 † 57.4%
Black offender* 537,470 51.7
Hispanic offender 55,790 † 47.0

There are slightly more white victims of a black offender than black victims.
That shows a higher rate of whites offending against blacks than the other way around.
 
Old 07-03-2020, 09:39 PM
 
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That shows a higher rate of whites offending against blacks than the other way around.
No the percentage at the end is calculated on something else not the rate. Look at the number of offensive by race of victim and offender I bolded. Or look at table 4. Black offenders victimized slightly more often against whites than blacks. Whites offend against blacks at a much lower rate.
 
Old 07-03-2020, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Lahaina, Hi.
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I'm not surprised you would say this. You've said you didn't want any Blacks around you, and you've shown a lack of empathy. Honestly, the majority of situations where Blacks are in the majority, it's poor areas. There are a few areas I've been to where Blacks are the majority, and doing well, and some of the Whites living there didn't have any problems living there. The vast majority of the time, when Whites are getting assaulted by Blacks, it's often by poor, underclass Blacks living in the ghetto. Of course you've said you don't want any Blacks around you, so I wouldn't expect you to get that.
After being on the receiving end of years of abuse by black people, I choose to avoid them.

You have said you do exactly the same thing! Oh, but you pick and choose which ones to avoid.

You seem to believe that I have an obligation to live around them and to do otherwise is not empathetic.

Not wanting to live around black people shows common sense and self-preservation.

Ask anyone who's lives have been destroyed by rioters, and looters this year.

Meanwhile, how about you step up to the plate and "mentor" those fools you and I both avoid. I tried it for 30+ years. What a waste of my time.
 
Old 07-03-2020, 09:53 PM
 
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You are terrible at presenting statistics in a manner which says much of anything.
Oh it said a lot but what it said may not necessarily line up with your ideology.
 
Old 07-03-2020, 09:54 PM
 
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No the percentage at the end is calculated on something else not the rate. Look at the number of offensive by race of victim and offender I bolded. Or look at table 4. Black offenders victimized slightly more often against whites than blacks. Whites offend against blacks at a much lower rate.
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White victim
White offender* 2,081,520 45.9%
Black offender 540,350† 47.2


Black victim
White offender 92,810 † 57.4%
Black offender* 537,470 51.7
We're splitting hairs because it's poor people in general doing it, regardless of race, but this shows that when the victim is white, less than half of the time the offender is black, and when a black is the victim, more than half of the time the offender is white.
 
Old 07-03-2020, 10:01 PM
 
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Oh, you meant Obama.
No, Trump. Obama never said "What the hell do you have to lose?" in appealing to any voting bloc while campaigning.
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