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Old 07-06-2020, 11:08 AM
 
Location: New York City
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When you read about what others define as "Critical Race Theory" means it basically says that "Racism is the norm and not the exception". Not near as scary.
Isn't it though? It assumes that people are inherently racist based on their identity and are defacto oppressors and essentially need to be activists to counter their indelible nature. Everyone should categorically reject this concept. Failing to go out and find racism everywhere does not make you racist.

Most troubling to me is the CRT view on science that evidence based learning is a "white" way of learning. Quite possibly the dumbest concept ever posited in the history of humankind
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Old 07-06-2020, 11:16 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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I'm saying the white majority has been shrinking mostly due to intentional immigration policies. It's dropped from about 85% in 1970 to currently at about 62% and barely majority. When it drops below 50% in 15 years or so, Critical theorists are not going to let up any but even more so claim the problem is whites.
Oookaaaaay........
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Old 07-06-2020, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Isn't it though? It assumes that people are inherently racist based on their identity and are defacto oppressors and essentially need to be activists to counter their indelible nature. Everyone should categorically reject this concept. Failing to go out and find racism everywhere does not make you racist.

Most troubling to me is the CRT view on science that evidence based learning is a "white" way of learning. Quite possibly the dumbest concept ever posited in the history of humankind
First of all, I appreciate your tenor of discussion. I would agree that SJWs take it too far. But to dismiss some of it completely out of hand is where my problem is. Part of this is due to my experience interacting with blacks in a more intimate context than many whites. I might share a few along the way.

But I want to get back to the authors and this.

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They even took Hitler's Mein Kampf chapter 12, word for word, and replaced the word "jew" with "white male" and it was published as a tremendous advancement to society!!!
First, I had never read Chapter 12 of Mein Kampf before.... But I just did. It's 45 pages long. There are twelve places where the word "jew" or "jewish" is mentioned. About six of them are in an approximately 2 page section where Hitler is complaining about the Jewish press. A few others are within about five pages of that where he is talking about how sneaky Jews are and how rotten they are. One comment was about Jews and Marxists in the stock market. One about how "religious reformers" added the Jews. One was about how the jews and other non national socialists made to much about ancient German heroes and basically wouldn't contribute to the current effort.

One was about his friend Ernst Pohner who he thought did not go for the Jewish lies and deceit.

So they stuck in "white male" 12 times in 45 pages. It was a clever, trick but it's clear that the reviewers didn't want to waste their time reading 45 pages of gobbledygook. Why would they? Just to see if the authors altered it?

Here are a few of the quotes from Chapter 12.

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"But this reproach applies just as much to politicians on the right. For thanks to their miserable cowardice the Jewish (white male) rabble who had come to power was able in 1918 to steal the nations arms."
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It must be, over and over again, pointed out that to our adherents and the whole people that the Jew (white male) and his newspaper always lie.
Gee sounds like something similar to what Trump says.

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"The Jew (white male) is the great master of lying and his deception is his weapon in the struggle.
Again there are 12 times in all those pages that Jew or Jewish is mentioned.
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Old 07-06-2020, 12:15 PM
 
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Oookaaaaay........
You say that like you still don't understand or agree. According to Critical Theory whites themselves are the problem.
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Old 07-06-2020, 12:18 PM
 
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Isn't it though? It assumes that people are inherently racist based on their identity and are defacto oppressors and essentially need to be activists to counter their indelible nature.
But I think they are also saying just white people are inherently racist. About the only missing in their spiel is the final solution, at least for now.
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Old 07-06-2020, 12:23 PM
 
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The most interesting aspect of Critical Race Theory is its claim that black people can’t be racist. Only white people can. Its supposed justification for such a claim is that racism=power and white people are in power. That’s a flimsy sophistry meant to obscure the real justification which is that only white people can be racist because white people are inherently morally inferior and thus inherently racist.
i think it also includes that black people can be racist againt black people if they disagree with critical race theory.



so there is that.
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Old 07-06-2020, 12:24 PM
 
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Gee sounds like something similar to what Trump says.



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When did Trump every identify the media as being an racial/ethnic media? He says the "fake" or "lying" news media.
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Old 07-06-2020, 12:25 PM
 
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But I think they are also saying just white people are inherently racist. About the only missing in their spiel is the final solution, at least for now.
missing from public view maybe but not missing
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Old 07-06-2020, 12:26 PM
 
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i think it also includes that black people can be racist againt black people if they disagree with critical race theory.



so there is that.
So you are racist, regardless of your race, if you disagree with anti-white racism?
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Old 07-06-2020, 12:27 PM
 
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The most interesting aspect of Critical Race Theory is its claim that black people can’t be racist. Only white people can. Its supposed justification for such a claim is that racism=power and white people are in power. That’s a flimsy sophistry meant to obscure the real justification which is that only white people can be racist because white people are inherently morally inferior and thus inherently racist.
It’s just semantics.

They would call assumptions based on skin color predjudice. So yes, they believe black people can be just as prejudiced as whites.

Under this theory racism is defined as predjudice being acted on with institutional power behind it. They are saying blacks in America don’t have the power to operationalize their prejudice in this way, so that’s what they mean when they say blacks can’t be racist.

In popular culture racist is used the way they use predjudice, hence the confusion.

All academic theories involve precise definition of the concepts that sometimes differ from the common meaning.
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