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Old 07-09-2020, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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bus man, every city, etc., has home rule powers. If you receive a permit from the city to create art on a street, then that gives the person legal authority. Without that, it is of course a criminal offense.
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Old 07-09-2020, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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bus man, every city, etc., has home rule powers. If you receive a permit from the city to create art on a street, then that gives the person legal authority. Without that, it is of course a criminal offense.
The fact of home-rule powers sets up a conflict with the authority that the federal government has claimed for itself in this area:

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Q: Does the MUTCD apply to all roads and streets in the United States?
A: Yes. In Title 23 of the Code of Federal Regulations, Part 655.603 states that the MUTCD is the national standard for all traffic control devices installed on any street, highway, or bicycle trail open to public travel.
To my knowledge, this claim of federal supremacy has not been challenged by state or local governments in relation to the jurisdiction of the MUTCD regulations. It seems like it ought to be officially settled, one way or another. Because if I am correct (notice that I said "if"), then the local governments do not have the authority to grant any kind of permit to mark up a public street in any way contrary to the MUTCD.
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Old 07-09-2020, 06:03 PM
 
Location: US
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All she had to do was erase the V. Then the slogan would be truthful.
Are you a fan of Martin Luther?...
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Old 07-09-2020, 06:05 PM
 
Location: US
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Police chief in Baltimore (former New Orleans thug) had 2 squads of police 2 blocks away on standby while Columbus statue was destroyed and thrown in the harbor. Wouldn't give the ok to respond.
What does Columbus have to do with the confederacy?...
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Old 07-09-2020, 06:07 PM
 
Location: US
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The city did not have the legal authority to grant a permit to paint that, or any other, message. Federal regulations, which apply to all public streets in the United States (regardless of whether it's a city, county, state, or federal road), do not allow political slogans (among other things) to be painted on the street.

As for the woman's actions, why is it so surprising to you that, after BLM has been screaming in our faces for months, that there wouldn't be some pushback?
Yea, the Federal government doesn’t have a say in state affairs...
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Old 07-09-2020, 06:08 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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only thing sadder than a thread fail.....is not knowing it's a thread fail
LMAO. Truly there doesnt seem to be an overwhelming outpouring of sympathy for the poor BLM "mural" painters and their street painting. Hell, my hats off to this "trashy" Trump supporting lady.

She had the sand to push back. Gotta wonder how its known shes a Trump supporter. ??? Or if she even votes. And if the police are looking for her what's the charge?

Defacing sanctioned defacement of public property? This BS I plumb out of control. Screw BLM!! There I said it. Call me a racist. I just dont care anymore...
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Old 07-09-2020, 06:10 PM
 
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BLM gives all its money to the DNC! They are not helping blacks. In fact the ONLY one helping them is Trump, giving them jobs! Obama gave the welfare, what a loser.
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Old 07-09-2020, 06:10 PM
 
Location: US
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Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices (MUTCD), Section 3B.20:

https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/...tm#section3B20

This regulation does not explicitly prohibit political slogans from being painted on roadway surfaces. But what it does do is state the following:



It then goes on to list examples of regulatory, warning, or guide messages that may be painted in words on a street. Political slogans do not fall into any of these categories.

The FAQ section of the MUTCD website explains the legal authority of the MUTCD:



https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/knowledge...eral.htm#genq2
Still had no bearing on this...It doesn’t say one can’t...
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Old 07-09-2020, 06:14 PM
 
Location: US
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If you're familiar with the MUTCD, you know that it does indeed discuss pavement markings. In fact, the entirety of Chapter 3 is devoted to that topic. So yes, it does apply.



In what way do the phrases "Black Lives Matter" or "Defund the Police" help guide, warn, or regulate traffic? Because those are the purposes of pavement word, symbol, or arrow markings, as identified in the set of federal regulations that oversee street markings.

If you disagree that the MUTCD is applicable in this case, please show me any other federal regulations that pertain to pictures or phrases being written on roadway surfaces.
The states are self-governed...
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Old 07-09-2020, 06:15 PM
 
Location: US
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bus man, we will have to disagree on this then, the manual is a guide for national uniformity for traffic control devices ONLY.
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