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Old 07-11-2020, 05:16 AM
 
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Exactly, and just how effective of a communication is it for those who don't speak that foreign language? Don't they count?
If they can't speak English, why are they here? How did they get here?

For the thousandth time, in order to get a green card or to become a citizen being able to speak and understand English is the LAW.

If they CAN'T speak and understated English, what are they doing here?

Politicians speak to CITIZENS hoping get their vote. If you are NOT a citizen, you can't vote, legally, so why should they pander to people who can't vote anyway?
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Old 07-11-2020, 05:22 AM
 
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BTW, you are wrong. You don't need to speak and understand English for a Green Card. Why does a Canadian know this, but an American doesn't?????

https://www.usa.gov/green-cards#item-34817

You need to know a working knowledge of English for citizenship for MOST, but not all, applicants.

Permanent residents age 55 or older with at least 15 years permanent residence can get U.S. citizenship without showing the ability to read, write and speak English. The English Language exemption is available also to individuals age 50 or older with at least 20 years permanent residence.

So again, your generalization is wrong.
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"You don't need to speak and understand English for a Green Card' My apologies, you are correct.

Naturalization Eligibility Requirements


Before an individual applies for naturalization, he or she must meet a few requirements. Depending on the individual’s situation, there are different requirements that may apply. General requirements for naturalization are below.
  • Be at least 18 years old at the time of filing Form N-400, Application for Naturalization.
  • Be a permanent resident (have a “Green Card”) for at least 5 years.
  • Show that you have lived for at least 3 months in the state or USCIS district where you apply.
  • Demonstrate continuous residence in the United States for at least 5 years immediately preceding the date of filing Form N-400.
  • Show that you have been physically present in the United States for at least 30 months out of the 5 years immediately preceding the date of filing Form N-400.
  • Be able to read, write, and speak basic English.
  • Have a basic understanding of U.S. history and government (civics).
  • Be a person of good moral character.
  • Demonstrate an attachment to the principles and ideals of the U.S. Constitution.

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Old 07-11-2020, 05:44 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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If they can't speak English, why are they here? How did they get here?

For the thousandth time, in order to get a green card or to become a citizen being able to speak and understand English is the LAW.

If they CAN'T speak and understated English, what are they doing here?

Politicians speak to CITIZENS hoping get their vote. If you are NOT a citizen, you can't vote, legally, so why should they pander to people who can't vote anyway?
Not true. There is no English language proficiency requirement to obtain a green card.
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Old 07-11-2020, 09:08 AM
 
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"You don't need to speak and understand English for a Green Card' My apologies, you are correct.

Naturalization Eligibility Requirements


Before an individual applies for naturalization, he or she must meet a few requirements. Depending on the individual’s situation, there are different requirements that may apply. General requirements for naturalization are below.
  • Be at least 18 years old at the time of filing Form N-400, Application for Naturalization.
  • Be a permanent resident (have a “Green Card”) for at least 5 years.
  • Show that you have lived for at least 3 months in the state or USCIS district where you apply.
  • Demonstrate continuous residence in the United States for at least 5 years immediately preceding the date of filing Form N-400.
  • Show that you have been physically present in the United States for at least 30 months out of the 5 years immediately preceding the date of filing Form N-400.
  • Be able to read, write, and speak basic English.
  • Have a basic understanding of U.S. history and government (civics).
  • Be a person of good moral character.
  • Demonstrate an attachment to the principles and ideals of the U.S. Constitution.
Thank you for acknowledging this. Most don't, and just pretend it didn't happen.
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Old 07-11-2020, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Thank you for acknowledging this. Most don't, and just pretend it didn't happen.
What was listed is the requirements to become a naturalized citizen. However, there are many legal permanent residents living in the US who aren’t yet U.S. citizens, and may never be. For them there is no English requirement whatsoever.
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Old 07-11-2020, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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It doesn't matter. If you knew a foreign language, you would know that it gets exhausting speaking it all the time. It's nice to get a break once and a while.
Even if you're fluent, which many newly naturalized citizens are not.

Political discourse is not "basic English". Hell, there are quite a few native speakers of English (some on this very forum) who can't correctly comprehend "basic English", let alone the verbal gymnastics of the modern politician.

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If they can't speak English, why are they here? How did they get here?
Boat, plane, car, foot ...

Speaking English is not a prerequisite for entering the country, or for staying here.

To gain naturalization, one must demonstrate a knowledge of "basic English". Not fluency.
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Old 07-11-2020, 10:09 AM
 
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"Every politician panders." Agree


Those on the left who did not complain when clinton and obama did it, or any other dem politician, are now complaining about Trump doing what the others did, is the point I am making.


Just pointing out the usual hypocrisy.
I don't get it anyway. If most of the entire audience knows English what is the point of snubbing them for a minority of people who may not? That makes no sense at all! If they don't know English they aren't likely to be a citizen of this country and can't vote anyway.
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Old 07-11-2020, 10:18 AM
 
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¡Si! Estoy de acuerdo con su comentario. ¡Gracias por compartir su punto de vista!
Me encanta tu comentario! I love your comment lol

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What part of one has to know English to become a citizen aren't you getting for the umpteenth time??? If I'm at a rally I have to listen to politicians pandering in Spanish if they are choosing to do so! WTH are you talking about in regards to "American citizen dialects"? We don't speak a dialect we speak English!

Why in the hell should Americans learn Spanish over any other foreign language in our country or any foreign language for that matter? Immigrants are supposed to learn English not the other way around. An education? There are many topics to get educated on besides learning a foreign language that you'll never use.

Numbers? When you subtract the number of Spanish speakers here illegally there are just as many Asians here but again they also know English if they are a citizen of our country and they aren't expecting politicians to deliver a speech in their languages. I'm sure at a political rally there is a mix of native English speakers and bi-lingual English/Spanish speakers. How are the native English speakers supposed to know what that politician is saying if he's speaking in Spanish or don't they count?

What part of the Constitution says that politicians are obligated to deliver speeches in Spanish or any other foreign language?
And if you don't like it, you don't have to listen to it. What is so hard for you about turning the tv off or walking away?

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Speaking which ever language you want is Freedom!

And Freedom is to be America!

Why do some American's, like in this thread, hate Freedom?
Yep, some of these posters don't like freedom, the constitution or the 1st amendment.

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"It is communication in the most effective way possible. What part of that don't you get?"


What part of it the LAW to get a green card or to become a citizen being able to SPEAK and UNDERSTAND English, do you NOT understand?
There is no law saying that they have to speak and understand English.
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Old 07-11-2020, 10:23 AM
 
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BTW, you are wrong. You don't need to speak and understand English for a Green Card. Why does a Canadian know this, but an American doesn't?????

https://www.usa.gov/green-cards#item-34817

You need to know a working knowledge of English for citizenship for MOST, but not all, applicants.

Permanent residents age 55 or older with at least 15 years permanent residence can get U.S. citizenship without showing the ability to read, write and speak English. The English Language exemption is available also to individuals age 50 or older with at least 20 years permanent residence.

So again, your generalization is wrong.
I know, its embarassing tbh.

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Still repeating yourself over and over again even though you were proven wrong and won't accept the fact that it is rude and discriminating to give a speech in a foreign language when your entire audience can speak English? I asked you not to reply to me anymore. So long, welcome to my ignore list!
Oh no, not the ignore list! Anything but that!
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Old 07-11-2020, 08:56 PM
 
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I don't get it anyway. If most of the entire audience knows English what is the point of snubbing them for a minority of people who may not? That makes no sense at all! If they don't know English they aren't likely to be a citizen of this country and can't vote anyway.
I wonder how you would feel having to be in an area where most people talk Navajo?
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