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Old 08-08-2020, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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As I noted before, the full court is also considering whether to disqualify Judge Sullivan from the case. Judge Sullivan--through the partisan arguments of his attorney trying to get control of the case back--has shown that he is not impartial in the least. Seriously, the arguments read like someone auditioning for a reporting job at the Huffington Post and showed clear bias against both the administration and Mr. Flynn. He is a disgrace to the judiciary.
The reinterpretation of Judge Sullivan's position in recent months by the right is really comical.

He was extremely antagonistic to the prosecution during the trial.

He hasn't really shown extreme partisanship for either side though other than being rightly disgusted with Barr's political interference.
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Old 08-08-2020, 06:28 PM
 
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The reinterpretation of Judge Sullivan's position in recent months by the right is really comical.

He was extremely antagonistic to the prosecution during the trial.

He hasn't really shown extreme partisanship for either side though other than being rightly disgusted with Barr's political interference.
Rachel Maddow? Is that you?
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Old 08-08-2020, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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The reinterpretation of Judge Sullivan's position in recent months by the right is really comical.

He was extremely antagonistic to the prosecution during the trial.

He hasn't really shown extreme partisanship for either side though other than being rightly disgusted with Barr's political interference.
I am not commenting on Judge Sullivan's behavior during the trial, but to his behavior post trial and post motion to dismiss charges. He is--through his attorney--behaving like an unhinged, TDS sufferer, which is a shame.

And whether "disgusted" by AG Barr's interference or not, that's not his role to express such; hence, the political comments. He is a judge, not a politician. Nobody disputes that the Justice Department has every right to seek dismissal of charges, so this is not an issue of the DOJ doing something that it is not entitled to. Also, let's be clear: AG Barr did the right thing given the disgraceful, partisan political targeting of Mike Flynn by the Obama Justice Department/FBI.
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Old 08-08-2020, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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I am not commenting on Judge Sullivan's behavior during the trial, but to his behavior post trial and post motion to dismiss charges. He is--through his attorney--behaving like an unhinged, TDS sufferer, which is a shame.

And whether "disgusted" by AG Barr's interference or not, that's not his role to express such; hence, the political comments. He is a judge, not a politician. Nobody disputes that the Justice Department has every right to seek dismissal of charges, so this is not an issue of the DOJ doing something that it is not entitled to. Also, let's be clear: AG Barr did the right thing given the disgraceful, partisan political targeting of Mike Flynn by the Obama Justice Department/FBI.
The bolded is a load of crap.

Judge Sullivan clearly has a role to see that justice is administered fairly and impartially in his courtroom.

If he believes one of the parties in the case is behaving in a manner that would preclude that, he's well within his rights to call that out.

Your argument is that judges have to allow improper political interference in their cases because they are not politicians? Really?

Further, I only brought up Judge Sullivan’s conduct during the trial because I think it clearly shows that the argument that he is improperly biased against the defense is baloney.

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Old 08-08-2020, 07:42 PM
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The bolded is a load of crap.

Judge Sullivan clearly has a role to see that justice is administered fairly and impartially in his courtroom.

If he believes one of the parties in the case is behaving in a manner that would preclude that, he's well within his rights to call that out.

Your argument is that judges have to allow improper political interference in their cases because they are not politicians? Really?

Further, I only brought up Judge Sullivan’s conduct during the trial because I think it clearly shows that the argument that he is improperly biased against the defense is baloney.
You have TDS.

A judge is to see that defendants get their rights, not to aid the prosecution.

Sullivan calling Flynn a traitor, an agent of Turkey, things the prosecution didn't even bring up??? Sullivan has been unhinged. And his treatment of Flynn is exactly the opposite of his principled reversal of the charges against Senator Stevenson because of prosecutorial misconduct. Some judges would be throwing some of the original prosecutors in jail for contempt of court for hiding evidence.
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Old 08-08-2020, 07:52 PM
 
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Won't be able to get 2/3 in the Senate even if the Democrats lose all 12 of their seats up for reelection.
Ah yeah, that's right, can't count on even one Democrat doing the right thing, they are 100% party over country and keeping a disgraced judge like Sullivan around is something they'd be proud to do. Good point.
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Old 08-08-2020, 08:10 PM
 
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The bolded is a load of crap.

Judge Sullivan clearly has a role to see that justice is administered fairly and impartially in his courtroom.

If he believes one of the parties in the case is behaving in a manner that would preclude that, he's well within his rights to call that out.

Your argument is that judges have to allow improper political interference in their cases because they are not politicians? Really?

Further, I only brought up Judge Sullivan’s conduct during the trial because I think it clearly shows that the argument that he is improperly biased against the defense is baloney.
Oh, please. That's pure nonsense. Judge Sullivan has a duty to apply the law to the facts. Under our constitutional system, sole prerogative over prosecution rests with the executive branch. Judges are apolitical, or supposed to be. Regardless of the motivations of the executive branch for deciding to drop a case, an apolitical branch member is supposed to keep his trap shut and not comment on what he thinks should have been done.

Note, I suspect Judge Sullivan's political remarks are a reason why the full DC Circuit has ordered arguments over whether Judge Sullivan should be forcibly recused from this case. He crossed a line as a judge.

This is not Judge Judy or some other television show. Actual judges are not supposed to behave this way.
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Old 08-08-2020, 10:28 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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You have TDS.

A judge is to see that defendants get their rights, not to aid the prosecution.

Sullivan calling Flynn a traitor, an agent of Turkey, things the prosecution didn't even bring up??? Sullivan has been unhinged. And his treatment of Flynn is exactly the opposite of his principled reversal of the charges against Senator Stevenson because of prosecutorial misconduct. Some judges would be throwing some of the original prosecutors in jail for contempt of court for hiding evidence.
You have TDS, a judge is there to be a neutral arbiter, not to take the side of the defense.

Besides, no one can really say how Judge Sullivan will rule on the matter since Flynn’s legal team ran to the appeals court before he could even hold a hearing.
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Old 08-08-2020, 10:57 PM
 
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The reinterpretation of Judge Sullivan's position in recent months by the right is really comical.

He was extremely antagonistic to the prosecution during the trial.

He hasn't really shown extreme partisanship for either side though other than being rightly disgusted with Barr's political interference.
There was no political interference. There is no doubt that he must dismiss the case. There is no doubt that he is acting wrongly.
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Old 08-08-2020, 10:59 PM
 
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You have TDS, a judge is there to be a neutral arbiter, not to take the side of the defense.

Besides, no one can really say how Judge Sullivan will rule on the matter since Flynn’s legal team ran to the appeals court before he could even hold a hearing.
He already ruled.


Not dismissing is a ruling.
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