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Old 07-20-2020, 09:05 AM
 
Location: NYC
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Their governor has launched an investigation into the prosecutor and has said that a pardon will be issued if they are formerly charged.

If those people are locked up for defending their own house they are basically asking for war against the people of the US. The prosecutor should be barred from her job, she violated the couple's 2nd amendment rights.
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Old 07-20-2020, 09:05 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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How could the McCloskeys know their intent as they came through the gate? They do not have to wait until violence starts, they need only have reasonable concern that it might.

Similar "groups" had recently caused "trouble or violence" in St. Louis.

I'm pretty sure you and I have agreed on this point more than once already.

I would, perhaps, make the small caveat that it should be "they need only have reasonable concern that it will". Reasonable concern of a possibility doesn't meet the bar for self-defense, I don't believe, but I'm not a lawyer.
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Old 07-20-2020, 09:07 AM
 
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And if someone set fire to the house?
"If" this, and if that... "similar" groups.... maybe... woulda, coulda.

This is called profiling. If black men commit a high proportion of the violent crime, maybe police, and anyone else have the right to threaten other black men, to prevent what they might do because of what similar looking people have done.
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Old 07-20-2020, 09:11 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Their governor has launched an investigation into the prosecutor and has said that a pardon will be issued if they are formerly charged.

If those people are locked up for defending their own house they are basically asking for war against the people of the US. The prosecutor should be barred from her job, she violated the couple's 2nd amendment rights.
The prosecutor must take the room temperature challenge, as prescribed for all tyrants in America.
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Old 07-20-2020, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Their governor has launched an investigation into the prosecutor and has said that a pardon will be issued if they are formerly charged.

If those people are locked up for defending their own house they are basically asking for war against the people of the US. The prosecutor should be barred from her job, she violated the couple's 2nd amendment rights.
She was elected Governor can do what he wants nothing will happen to her that's all bunch of smoke. You can't wave a rifle around in front of your own house because someone is in front of your home causing a problem for you. This case is little different because the McCloskey's are making the claim that the property the protesters were on is owned by a trust which every home owner is part of. This is different then a HOA where an HOA owns property.

If you live next door to a house has a loud party maybe they are breaking bottles loud music and come flying out of your house with a rifle like McCloskey did yelling at them waving it around you end up in cuffs.
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Old 07-20-2020, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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And if someone set fire to the house?
I'll bet that "r small" can't comprehend that?
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Old 07-20-2020, 09:39 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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And if someone set fire to the house?
What other houses were set fire to by this group? What other homes were set on fire during any recent STL protests?

We're back to reasonable fear, aren't we?
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Old 07-20-2020, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Cali
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What other houses were set fire to by this group? What other homes were set on fire during any recent STL protests?

We're back to reasonable fear, aren't we?
your "reasonableness" is 20/20 hindsight and after-the-fact


reasonableness is what would a reasonable person do AT THAT TIME if they are in the SAME situation WITHOUT all the benefit of 20/20 hindsight
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Old 07-20-2020, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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"If" this, and if that... "similar" groups.... maybe... woulda, coulda.

This is called profiling. If black men commit a high proportion of the violent crime, maybe police, and anyone else have the right to threaten other black men, to prevent what they might do because of what similar looking people have done.
Just try to imagine yourself sitting in your home watching all of the rioting, looting, and destruction of both public and private property going on. Now you hear all of this commotion going on right outside of your home by an angry mob of protestors. Would you sit and wait for the possibility of a Molotov cocktail to come crashing through your window? They already called 911 but the police and fire departments already had their hands full and they were basically on your own.
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Old 07-20-2020, 09:57 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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I'll bet that "r small" can't comprehend that?
And you actually believe that the McCloskey's thought that the protesters were going to set their house on fire? Right.
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