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Old 07-12-2020, 04:37 AM
 
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If you think you are more intelligent than Adams or Jefferson, have at it.

As you appear to know nothing of the Continental Congress and the process involved for the drafting of the Declaration, perhaps you should read it. Liberals, of course, rarely read history, thus they are in the optimal position to criticize it.

The Declaration, as Jefferson wrote it, had a passage for the abolition of slavery. North Carolina and South Carolina, led by Rutledge and Middleton, demanded that the passage be removed, or those states would vote "no" for ratification of Independence. In order to pass the Declaration of Independence, the passage was removed, much to the chagrin of most of the members of the Congress.

READ BEFORE YOU SPEAK. The reason libs are enamored with socialism is that they have failed to read history to understand its failings. MOST have never read "Das Kapital" and have no idea what is in it.

The document is timeless. Perhaps the 13th Amendment needs to be re-written? After all, it is old!

Really big, fantastical and transparent leaps and innuendos you are making there.

No! No! NO! You don't get to place the OP in the Democratic Party and then attach all Democrats and liberals to stupid stuff. Nice twisty propaganda nonsense from whomever is trying to plant the idea that Democrats and progressives hate the Constitution and the country and desire to dissolve both.

The world has watched as Trump Republicans have choked the Constitution and demolished democracy. So now that dedicated Americans, Republicans and Democrats alike, have taken a stand to protect the institutions that have made the United States a great nation, you Hawk, are going to preposterously pretend that Trumpisms' goal wasn't and isn't to achieve exactly the destruction of those very institutions? You know, blame shift Trumpisms' white nationalistic, deconstruct the principles of American government goals to Democrats?

That sure is some Parscale-Putinesque type propaganda you are trying to push. Nice try, but no cigar.

BTW: I thought we liberal retarded types and Democrats were too elite and educated and "booksmart" and that was our problem; so now that it is convenient for you, just forget that accusation and make a new one, never mind that it is another generalized statement that is the polar opposite. How dumb do you think people are, Hawkeye?

IMHO, the Trump campaign is desperate because the Democratic Party agenda is to gather all patriotic Americans in a shared fidelity to the Constitution and a commitment to defeat Trumpism. And this resonates with we the people. And it has Trump running scared.

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Old 07-12-2020, 04:47 AM
 
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What do you not like about the old Constitution? Name just one thing.
I see you don’t get it. It’s not actually the constitution itself that bothers them. It’s who wrote it when. Slave owners wrote it in the eighteenth century. It’s gotta go.

If some SJWs write a constitution now, it doesn’t matter what’s it in. It will be great by definition because it was written by the woke.
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Old 07-12-2020, 04:50 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Cool idea. Where do you plan on putting this new country?


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Old 07-12-2020, 04:53 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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So we follow the teachings/rules of the people from the 1700's? okk..


If you think there's a better country out on the planet, I don't think anyone is going to beg you not to go live there.
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Old 07-12-2020, 09:55 AM
 
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Replace the Presidential republic with a Parliamentary one. That is, there's a Parliament, much like the current House of Representatives. Depending on how elections work out, one party has the majority, or several parties form a coalition. The majority or coalition governs, while the rest are the opposition. Said majority/coalition then select from among themselves a Prime Minister, who forms a Government. From time to time, Parliament votes on whether it retains confidence in the Prime Minister. A vote of no-confidence triggers a national election.
The form of government is almost irrelevant if you have open borders to adversarial groups and ideologies. Why replace judiciary supremacy with legislative supremacy? Just weaken judicial review and the judiciary and you'll have balance of power. I think this is more along the lines of what the founders originally intended.
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Old 07-12-2020, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Well, in Dorian's defense he did offer up ".....when Slavery was normal, witches were real...."

Weren't witches a 17th century thing, Dorian? Help me out here.
I don't think history is Dorian's thing, which probably means he should say, 'I'm out' when discussing the Constitution.

But I'm willing to listen to anything someone has to say about it if they provide details and not just random statements that 'document is old we need new!'
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Old 07-12-2020, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Somewhere gray and damp, close to the West Coast
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I see you don’t get it. It’s not actually the constitution itself that bothers them. It’s who wrote it when. Slave owners wrote it in the eighteenth century. It’s gotta go.

If some SJWs write a constitution now, it doesn’t matter what’s it in. It will be great by definition because it was written by the woke.

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Old 07-12-2020, 11:33 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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Well, in Dorian's defense he did offer up ".....when Slavery was normal, witches were real...."

Weren't witches a 17th century thing, Dorian? Help me out here.
Yes, the witch thing was just a tad earlier in history. As was not knowing where the sun went at night. I.e. flat Earth doctrine. That was more of a 15th century thing. And earlier.

So the OPs historical reference points are a bit out of bounds. The people, especially the educated people who wrote the Constitution, in the period it was written, were a bit more...enlightened...than that.



The OP is also not taking into account how it has been amended over time. There is no burning need to write a whole new document. That's just a knee jerk blurt resulting from leftist educational conditioning.

The product of the modern public education system. Revisionist history, government study imbued with leftist social policy, and all of it presented as incontrovertible fact when it's not.

Teachers that "teach" by saying "repeat after me" and dont tolerate asking questions. My son graduated almost a decade ago. He was sent to the office numerous times by a particular teacher for "disrupting class." Because he asked questions and dared to argue with her over what she claimed as historical fact. And he knew better.

And dared to question leftist educational doctrine. Doctrine? No, Canon by gun! The audacity! Go to the office young man!

Decades of leftist takeover in education is really coming to a head now. It seems they are now ready to unleash the properly conditioned and indoctrinated young. Conditioned to hold their elders in contempt and openly disrespect them, and steeped in revisionist beliefs so that any historical knowledge not in line with "woke," principal is to be dismissed as racist, oppressive "old White" anachronism.

Now we see the big plan being implemented. They have been conditioning and brainwashing our youth right under our noses for a long time now. Welcome to the New World Order.

Wait for it. I can hear the jeers and "tin foil hat" comments already and I haven't even posted this yet. Thing is, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. And this isnt theory.

It makes me very grateful that I was an involved parent and actually took a hands on role in raising my son. And I saw the public education system attempt to punish him all the time for the unpardonable sin of asking questions and calling the BS when he saw it.

Just like I did growing up he had access to my Dads extensive library. He was encouraged to read. And he had more than just the educational system's skewed and censored perspective to work with.

I didnt hand my son over for public school to raise. Far to many people have done and are doing that. Witness the result in the OP. And before someone says it, my hat is made of wool felt. Not foil.
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Old 07-12-2020, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Somewhere gray and damp, close to the West Coast
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So we follow the teachings/rules of the people from the 1700's? okk..

If those teachings/rules were born of a people who wanted to live by right values and real freedoms, and rights that were granted them by their Creator, then yeah.
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Old 07-12-2020, 11:56 AM
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Here we go again. BTW you're a century and a pocket full of change off on the Witch bit pard. Actually call it two. The Salem trials and the signing of the Constitution are two very different periods of history.

And what is in the Constitution is just as relevant today as it was when it was signed. This "modernize" the Constitution bilge has gotten way old.

If your knowledge of the Constitution is as iffy as your history I suggest you remedy that before you advocate for tossing it.

You'll pardon me if I dont accept two sentences and an emojis a poignant arguement for scrapping the document that is the bedrock of our nation. I just dont think I'm willing to give up my rights contained therein based on a quip.

Get back to us when you graduate 8th grade OK?
We're a lot closer to the Salem witch trial era now than the Founders were. "He talked to Trump. Burn him at the stake."
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