Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 07-13-2020, 07:03 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
28,353 posts, read 16,381,866 times
Reputation: 10467

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
He stood up and chastised his own party for creating a budget which increased spending by 21%, and he stood up again the next year and gave another speech about the same hypocrisy.

Some lines from his speeches:

"The hypocrisy hangs in the air"

"When GOP is in power, there is no conservative party in US"

"Isn't this the very definition of intellectual dishonesty and hypocrisy"?

“On page 207. 2000+ pages to go! Reading about the ever wasteful $6 billion National Science Foundation.”

Sarcastically: “I found a kernel of hope: ‘no funds in this act will be used to support or justify torture.’ “

And then votes yes anyway.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 07-13-2020, 07:32 AM
 
18,802 posts, read 8,471,648 times
Reputation: 4130
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Market Maven View Post
Deficits and debt obviously do not matter. We have been hearing this same talk over and over and nothing ever happens. The Nasdaq is at record highs today and that is all that matters. Clearly a sign that things are not as bad as everyone says.

https://mythfighter.com/2009/11/24/f...ing-time-bomb/

Our national debt hasn't been an issue for me since I started learning about modern money about 15 years ago, reading some of Warren Mosler's early stuff. His primer and soft currency economics.

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/d59...345.1594646981
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-13-2020, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Florida
76,971 posts, read 47,629,107 times
Reputation: 14806
Quote:
Originally Posted by hooligan View Post
And then votes yes anyway.
He voted NO.

https://justfacts.votesmart.org/cand...t-and-spending

Last edited by Finn_Jarber; 07-13-2020 at 08:33 AM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-13-2020, 07:35 AM
 
18,802 posts, read 8,471,648 times
Reputation: 4130
Quote:
Originally Posted by hawkeye2009 View Post
???????

Here is the bad news for you. We MUST GENERATE DEBT every year to maintain our circulating currency. Read about how money is created in the US. Every dollar in your wallet is generated by debt.

If we "balance the budget", it would precipitate a recession or depression. That is a sad fact that essentially no one knows about.

Our cumulative debt and our annual deficits will continue until disaster ensues. It is just a matter of time. So far, the amount of money needed to service the debt (pay interest) has not been crippling...……………………………… yet.
https://themoderatevoice.com/be-care...et-amendement/
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-13-2020, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Florida
76,971 posts, read 47,629,107 times
Reputation: 14806
Quote:
Originally Posted by hawkeye2009 View Post
Here is the bad news for you. We MUST GENERATE DEBT every year to maintain our circulating currency. Read about how money is created in the US. Every dollar in your wallet is generated by debt.

If we "balance the budget", it would precipitate a recession or depression. That is a sad fact that essentially no one knows about.
No, the budget can be balanced, but all of the debt cannot be paid off. Not that it would even make sense to pay it all off, since much of it is owed back the citizens and they will be paid when the time comes (SS).

Quote:
Our cumulative debt and our annual deficits will continue until disaster ensues. It is just a matter of time. So far, the amount of money needed to service the debt (pay interest) has not been crippling...……………………………… yet.
Debt to GDP ratio is increasing under Trump, and it was 107% the 1st Qt 2020, and I can only imagine what it is now that he burned $4 trillion in hand outs.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-13-2020, 08:01 AM
 
Location: East of the Burgh.
2,828 posts, read 824,998 times
Reputation: 961
Quote:
Originally Posted by beach43ofus View Post
Yes, I supportd Ron Paul, and Ross Perot too. I thought Ron Paul was a little out there though. He took the global isolationism too far for me. I like Trumps stance on globalism, but he's just anotehr 'Uge spender now.

Rand seems much more grounded than Ron was. I like how Rand votes "no" on nearly all spending bills. Him & Massie are 2 outcasts in DC. They are good family men too, which makes them even weirder in DC.

Even politically active people like we have here don't care about the spending, so getting the average working Joe to care is impossible....until the chit hits the fan, which is not far off.
Ron Paul is not an isolationist he is a non-interventionist.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-13-2020, 08:19 AM
 
Location: East of the Burgh.
2,828 posts, read 824,998 times
Reputation: 961
Quote:
Originally Posted by nurider2002 View Post
Rand Paul is a despicable POS. Surprised his neighbor is the only person who has assaulted him.
Why would you say that and be specific?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-13-2020, 08:26 AM
 
8,272 posts, read 10,991,123 times
Reputation: 8910
Quote:
Originally Posted by hawkeye2009 View Post
???????
If we "balance the budget", it would precipitate a recession or depression. That is a sad fact that essentially no one knows about.
Hogwash.

Bill Clinton gave George Bush a balanced budget.

What did George Bush do? Gave everyone a tax cut. Then the budget went out of whack and a deficit.

Providing all of these tax cuts only adds to the national debt.

Trump has done nothing to decrease the national debt. The national debt has increased under Trump.

Trumps whole life has been debt. Bankruptcy multiple times. Is that where Trump is aiming the USA ?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-13-2020, 08:39 AM
 
18,802 posts, read 8,471,648 times
Reputation: 4130
Quote:
Originally Posted by unit731 View Post

Trump has done nothing to decrease the national debt. The national debt has increased under Trump.

Trumps whole life has been debt. Bankruptcy multiple times. Is that where Trump is aiming the USA ?
The nation cannot go bankrupt like a person or business. But Trump does know debt. And along with Mnuchin and the Fed is moving very rapidly towards the more full use of modern money in countering the Covid 19 disaster.

It does not surprise me that his base hasn't been so vocal in opposition.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-13-2020, 08:48 AM
 
4,336 posts, read 1,555,043 times
Reputation: 2279
Quote:
Originally Posted by beach43ofus View Post
I defy you to find 1 person in Washington DC who would be more likely to stop the wreckless spending.

Thomas Massie is another, but he doesn't have the name recognition of Rand Paul, so he's #2.

These are the only 2 Congressman in Washington DC out of 535, to vote NO to all the Covid-19 "stimulus" spending.

If you put EVERY other issue aside, & put 100% of your vote into stopping the wreckless spending, there is no better choice.

Why should you put every other issue aside?

Because in the next 4.5 yrs, interest payments on our national debt will overtake defense spending. Interest will threaten national security.

Also, interest was $600B in 2019. We spent $1,044B on Social Security in 2019. Interest is growing faster. Interest will threaten SS.

By the end of this decade, interest on the debt will eclipse social security spending too.

To put it another way, in 2029 if we had no interest, we could DOUBLE all SSecurity payments, so people could live off SS (in many places).

Rand Paul & Thomas Massie would have 533 Congresspersons fighting them every step of the way, so some of them must go too.

How, and/or where to cut the budget is another topic. Please start another thread to discuss that.

This topic is about putting spending 1st, & finding the best leader to make it so.
The deficit never scores very high among voter priorities.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:52 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top