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Originally Posted by Rachel976
Excellent point! We have self-loathing whites tearing down a statue of President Washington because....white man bad!....so why can’t people digest the fact that there are self-loathing Jews? (They’re always on the liberal side, btw.)
Self-loathing is a prerequisite for joining the liberal club.
People made up their own association for Black Lives Matter, before there was any violence or rioting associated with them. The second BLM gained traction, there were people trying to tear it down, discredit it, marginalize it by claiming ALM or Blue Lives Matter.
Trying to compare the reactions to BLM to ALM/Blue Lives Matter is disingenuous. There was never a reason to be against BLM, since it's original goal was Black equality.
And if a counter movement pops up challenging BLM, then it's because there goal is maintaining Black inequality.
So with that, there's a valid reason to be against ALM/Blue Lives Matter.
If she had use #whitepower, would that have been acceptable?
Well, because you said so.
A counter movement may pop up because many feel the country is too valuable to be torn down because of a minority groups grievances and resentment. Said tearing down may do far more damage not only to everyone else, but said minority group themselves. Civilization has it's value. Chaos costs people their lives. If anyone thinks police are a bigger danger to normal law abiding black people than chaos, they are moronic.
So should sick freak rightist users who give convicted felons a pass and a Thanks for their protection.
Care to address the conduct of those being hateful to a grieving daughter? or just keep on your "whataboutism"?
I suppose if someone taunted a family member of a black victim, you'd be right there condemning, while telling others to "stay on the current topic"- yet here you go on switching topics
Your side is as hateful, spiteful, bigoted, as those on the other side that you condemn;
Nothing says "our side is about love" than never passing up a chance to spew your partisan hate, while ignoring the bile from your own "side". What is it you all like to say, "Silence is Violence"!!
and NO, Im' not a Trumper, or righty, just sick of the constant hate, hypocrisy, and double standards by a group claiming moral superiority.
As warped as the right is, I notice the left has taken over the top spot in terms of hate spewing, especially when their hate is pointed out. You're no better
You are doing what I wrote in my first quote, saying she needs to bow down to your organization's name, and renounce the name you call insulting. Trying to control someone else's speech in the process. Trying to choke out her words. She doesn't need to reword anything.
No-one's controlling her speech. if she wants to deal with the backlash, she can leave it. If she wants to avoid the backlash because it was an inappropriate #, she can change it. It's up to her
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Originally Posted by Rachel976
Oh, I’ve always been the first to admit that there are self-loathing secular Jews on the radical left. (We’ve even seen this in this forum, with leftist Jews complaining about religious Jews who won’t adopt liberalism.) Rosenberg was a card-carrying member of a communist organization, in addition to bombing buildings and other terrorist activities.
Uh-huh.
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Originally Posted by vkhmini
What, you don't think there is such a thing as a self-hating Jew, but demand that all whites loathe their whiteness?
Uh huh.
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Originally Posted by Rachel976
What do you mean IF she used it? She didn’t. When you start having to use hypotheticals to win your argument, you’ve already lost.
Nothing wrong with Blue Lives Matter, especially by a girl whose father was just gunned down. That BLM monsters are attacking her for it is despicable.
Don't know where that rule came from, but it's wrong. So answer the question.
I'm giving her the benefit of doubt that her intentions were pure, but in this climate using that hashtag is like using #whitepower. Regardless of what your intent is, using a provocative # is going to come with repercussions. and just because your intent is pure, doesn't mean the repercussions are invalid. It doesn't mean that there's not illegitimate gripe behind the people who would be offended.
And if you believe ALM is a legitimate cry for equality, why would you oppose BLM? From the get-go, their platform was always about equality. At no point have they ever said that black people deserve more, or deserve extra benefits that could be construed as black supremacy.
The challenge to BLM would be like saying the NAACP is racist because we should be about the advancement of all people. Would you challenge the NAACP is being a racist organization, based on their name? So why would you do that for BLM?
Per the bolded --- Are you serious? Are you unaware that not all cops are white? To say that Blue Lives Matter is the equivalent to saying "white power", is seriously sick and twisted.
BLM is a Marxist group that's all about causing disruption and chaos. They can't even hold peaceful rallies. Everywhere they go, rioting/looting/vandalism follows them. You also haven't noticed that they are all about disrupting things in election years.
You need to read what the grandfather of an 11 year old boy who got shot and killed when he got caught in the crossfire had to say about BLM:
The NAACP is absolutely a racist organization, not just because of their name, but rather because they exist to promote racism.
I knew I'd get one of you with that.
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Originally Posted by Oldhag1
This is but one fallacy in your argument. The cops that shot Breona Taylor do not fall under Blue Lives Matter. They did not die in the line of duty, they are still alive. The following are the individuals who people mean when they say Blue Lives Matter, these are just the ones murdered since George Floyd died. Ismael Chavez, the last on the list is the Blue Life that was discussed in that tweet.
Police Officer Cody N. Holte
Grand Forks Police Department, ND
EOW: Wednesday, May 27, 2020
Cause: Gunfire
Police Officer Nathan James Lyday
Ogden Police Department, UT
EOW: Thursday, May 28, 2020
Cause: Gunfire
Deputy Constable Caleb Daniel Rule
Fort Bend County Constable's Office - Precinct 4, TX
EOW: Friday, May 29, 2020
Cause: Gunfire
Police Officer Waldis "Jay" Johnson
Detroit Police Department, MI
EOW: Sunday, May 31, 2020
Cause: Gunfire
Lieutenant Stephen P. Williams
Moody Police Department, AL
EOW: Tuesday, June 2, 2020
Cause: Gunfire
Sergeant Damon Gutzwiller
Santa Cruz County Sheriff's Office, CA
EOW: Saturday, June 6, 2020
Cause: Gunfire
Deputy Sheriff James H. Blair
Simpson County Sheriff's Office, MS
EOW: Friday, June 12, 2020
Cause: Gunfire
Wildlife Officer Julian Keen, Jr.
Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission, FL
EOW: Sunday, June 14, 2020
Cause: Gunfire
Police Officer Destin Legieza
Brentwood Police Department, TN
EOW: Thursday, June 18, 2020
Cause: Vehicular assault
Sergeant Craig Johnson
Tulsa Police Department, OK
EOW: Tuesday, June 30, 2020
Cause: Gunfire
Police Officer Anthony Dia
Toledo Police Department, OH
EOW: Saturday, July 4, 2020
Cause: Gunfire
Police Officer Edelmiro Garza, Jr.
McAllen Police Department, TX
EOW: Saturday, July 11, 2020
Cause: Gunfire
Police Officer Ismael Chavez
McAllen Police Department, TX
EOW: Saturday, July 11, 2020
Cause: Gunfire
Yes, they are. Both are entitled to express their grief as they see fit. The death of neither of these individuals is related to the other, and therefore what one family does is not the business of the other. To my knowledge the words “______ Lives Matter” is not patented, no one has ownership of it.
Police and their supporters have been using Blue Lives Matter as justification for police acting in their own interest, regardless of who pays the price for that, since BLM started.
It's not just a hashtag for fallen police officers. It's a hashtag saying that police doing whatever it takes to go home at night is justification for whatever they do on the job. Breona Taylor is the perfect example of Blue Lives Matter. Her life was unjustly ended because those cops felt like they could do whatever they wanted to ensure they went home safely, even murder an innocent.
So like I post to another poster, if that girl chose to use #whitepower, that would be acceptable?
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Originally Posted by dman72
Well, because you said so.
A counter movement may pop up because many feel the country is too valuable to be torn down because of a minority groups grievances and resentment. Said tearing down may do far more damage not only to everyone else, but said minority group themselves. Civilization has it's value. Chaos costs people their lives. If anyone thinks police are a bigger danger to normal law abiding black people than chaos, they are moronic.
BLM was launched to promote black equality. If a counter-movement starts because of that, how can their goal be anything but Black inequality? And your own argument is even tacitly approving that line of thinking. Whether was your intent or not, your reasoning is that if Black inequality is better for civilization as a whole, then it's right to continue fighting against Black equality.
Wait, you think the first example is normal but the second one shows how cold-hearted people have become?
Do you not see the irony here?
How about you answer yourself.
Which example do you think people will think is worse?
1. Saying that someone who drove 150mph and crashed deserved their fate
2. Saying that George Floyd deserved his fate
No-one's controlling her speech. if she wants to deal with the backlash, she can leave it. If she wants to avoid the backlash because it was an inappropriate #, she can change it. It's up to her
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It sounds like you are repeating your slogan, no justice, no peace.
I hope she has peace and justice that surpasses you.
You can get out your backlash whip, and give me the full number of lashes + 1. It won't steal my peace.
The issue behind Blue Live Matters is what was the point of her using that hashtag? Is that killer going to go free, even if hadn't killed himself? Is there some slap-on-the-wrist punishment that regularly gets handed down for people who kill cops, that's an insult to the profession or the people left behind?
These protests are about INJUSTICE. You can't cry about using a hashtag meant to draw attention to repeated INJUSTICE, when there's no INJUSTICE being targeted. I sympathize with the daughter, but it's a careless use of a hashtag was purposely created to marginalize a legitimate movement around INJUSTICE.
and there you have it.
some hashtags are better than others. Certain Black lives have more value than ANY cop's life.
Per the bolded --- Are you serious? Are you unaware that not all cops are white? To say that Blue Lives Matter is the equivalent to saying "white power", is seriously sick and twisted.
BLM is a Marxist group that's all about causing disruption and chaos. They can't even hold peaceful rallies. Everywhere they go, rioting/looting/vandalism follows them. You also haven't noticed that they are all about disrupting things in election years.
You need to read what the grandfather of an 11 year old boy who got shot and killed when he got caught in the crossfire had to say about BLM:
it doesn't matter if there Black people who are cops. Blue Lives Matter was started as a counter movement to Black Lives Matter, a organization launched to secure black equality. if your countering Black equality, then your goal is Black inequality.
You guys act like Marxist is still some Boogeyman for anybody under 60.
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