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Old 07-15-2020, 04:51 AM
 
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" However, the number of deaths in the US reported as being due to covid-19 has fallen from more than 3000 a day in mid-April to well under 1000."

"Those who die usually do so around two weeks after developing symptoms and their deaths typically aren’t reported for another week. More widespread testing, no longer limited to those with serious symptoms, could mean that cases of coronavirus are being detected even earlier, increasing this lag."

https://www.newscientist.com/article...#ixzz6SG7UDEG1

Younger, healthier people who are infected have a higher rate of survival. Hospitals are using more effective treatment approaches. ... Lot of reasons why the deaths have decreased lately,

However, there was never a day where 14,000 people died of Covid in the United States. The person who posted that is either lying or doesn't understand how to read a graph.
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Old 07-15-2020, 07:00 AM
 
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(no)... number of positives per day is acceptable.

Then you're in for a long haul. There is no real reason - science or logic - to suggest this will ever go away entirely. It MIGHT. But it's not a plan you can rely on.


I've started to frame this two ways for people that really care.


1. The Big Picture - it's about resources. Do what you can to not drag them down. Once it looks like our resources - nationwide, simultaneously - are not at risk of being outpaced by the bug - then it will settle down. Note I did not say "outpaced" - I said "AT RISK of being outpaced." That's all it takes.


2. Your Tiny Personal Picture - it's not that dangerous. Your chances of being seriously ill from it are about 1%, and your chances of dying from it are about the same as your chances of dying from anything else for your age group. Your odds of running into someone with it today - depending on your community - is something like 1 in 300. Maybe 1 in 100. Maybe 1 in a 1000. Point is - not that common. And yet it's "common enough" that action is warranted, due to The Big Picture.




So it may seem like contradictory advice - but it is not - unless you totally have no compassion for your fellow citizens. The danger is REAL for someone...but it's probably not you, just playing the odds. Still - YOU can help that "someone" by not being part of the spread. That's all we're trying to accomplish here.


Note there is no age group, or high risk group, or health condition, that is documented as 100% COVID fatal. No. Not even close. Even for "old" people - where the "feeling" is it's highly dangerous - less than 10% die. It means - even if you're old - or otherwise vulnerable - more than 90% recover.
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Old 07-15-2020, 07:05 AM
 
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Can you point out any policy direction resulting from percentages of tests vs percentage of population? If you send in two samples and both are positive that's 100% and if both are negative that is 100%. Nobody is making policy changes based on that let alone 20% for specific facilities. A particular facility, though, will red flag it and imo it's an issue for them.

And there was good reason it was noticed. It's outside the norm. My spouse is a covid lab supervisor. Even when we have gotten tested he's usually not worried because of typical low percentages of positives and MA was a high state to boot at one point. None of this changes the very serious situation in florida unless the actual number of positives are wrong.
You just contradicted yourself....."because of typical low percentages of positives"

Florida Department of Health is combining numbers that are not random....with numbers that are random
...that's giving a higher percentage of positives

Florida Department of Health admitted they are doing it....and admitted it's wrong
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Old 07-15-2020, 07:06 AM
 
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https://www.breitbart.com/health/202...id-19-numbers/


Not a surprise at all. I bet its happening across the country, just like people being marked they died from covid when they didn't but they died during this so they got tagged with it. Its all a political game to take out Trump. Sickening to use American's lives to advance a political agenda but really I don't put anything past people who hate America.

America is capitalist. Any game being played involves money. Insurance companies are generally paying more when a Covid-19 diagnosis is recorded.
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Old 07-15-2020, 07:18 AM
 
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You just contradicted yourself....."because of typical low percentages of positives"
Nope. In a large batch of samples the positive rate is typically low, which is why these high rates were noticed. That doesn't mean Florida is not in the middle of a surge. I've said that a few times now.


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Florida Department of Health is combining numbers that are not random....with numbers that are random
...that's giving a higher percentage of positives

Florida Department of Health admitted they are doing it....and admitted it's wrong
Of course they need to fix their reporting errors, but again, in the end the positives relative to the population is what people are looking at.
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Old 07-15-2020, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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This needs to be addressed but is just a distraction, Florida has a huge problem with over 10,000 new infections a day, ICU's full and lack of medical workers.
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Old 07-15-2020, 07:47 AM
 
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https://www.breitbart.com/health/202...id-19-numbers/


Not a surprise at all. I bet its happening across the country, just like people being marked they died from covid when they didn't but they died during this so they got tagged with it. Its all a political game to take out Trump. Sickening to use American's lives to advance a political agenda but really I don't put anything past people who hate America.

The number of cases wasn't out of whack -- the positivity rate was.

Not surprising Florida is screwed up -- it's run by a Republican Governor.

Shameful.
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Old 07-15-2020, 07:49 AM
 
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The number of cases wasn't out of whack -- the positivity rate was.

Not surprising Florida is screwed up -- it's run by a Republican Governor.

Shameful.
what was new york's excuse? they have a dem governor.

is that also 'shameful'?
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Old 07-15-2020, 07:51 AM
 
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in the end the positives relative to the population is what people are looking at.

then the rate would be ~1.3% positives

Fla total positives....... ~288,000
Fla population ~ 22,000,000

22,000,000 X 1.3% = 286,000

Florida Department of Health is reporting 18.31% positives..which gives the impression almost 20% of the population is positive
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Old 07-15-2020, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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what was new york's excuse? they have a dem governor.

is that also 'shameful'?
I don't think the positivity rate was brought up when NY had hundreds of deaths a day and ICU's overwhelmed. But Florida is Trump country and this of course is a Fox News investigation so the deflection to "the case count is wrong" or the death rate is low. That of course ignores the rather large problem they have with this virus.
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