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"The Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment counts COVID-19 deaths in two different ways from two separate sources of data — deaths caused by COVID-19 and deaths among people who died with COVID-19.
Most recent numbers report that 3,086 people in Colorado have died because of COVID compared to 3,969 deaths with COVID.
Deaths listed as caused by COVID-19 come from death certificates. These causes of death are determined directly by health care providers and coroners.
Alternatively, deaths for people who died with but not necessarily because of COVID-19 come from epidemiological data. Thus, anyone who died within 30 days after testing positive for COVID is included in the count regardless of official cause of death."
They are maintaining two separate sets of data.
Are you not bothered by the fact that the panic mongerers in the Democrat Party and the media never bother to articulate the difference between the two data sets and what it means?
Are you not bothered by the fact that the panic mongerers in the Democrat Party and the media never bother to articulate the difference between the two data sets and what it means?
Don't answer, I already know the answer.
That article came from the "media", did it not? It explained the difference between the datasets, did it not?
I do not pay attention to what any of the politicians are saying.
"The Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment counts COVID-19 deaths in two different ways from two separate sources of data — deaths caused by COVID-19 and deaths among people who died with COVID-19.
Most recent numbers report that 3,086 people in Colorado have died because of COVID compared to 3,969 deaths with COVID.
*SNIP*
Why are they even publicizing the latter? Should those be no more than cases?
Yes, I know that. However, once you are to the point of shedding the virus, the viral load will be high, and affecting you, making you ill, and you will feel sick. But just because you feel like you have the flu, still doesn't mean you have COVID.
My point is that if you are sick enough to shed the virus, you will probably know you are sick, and healthy people wearing a mask will do next to nothing to protect them from breathing in the virus.
"The [influenza A] virus particle (also called the virion) is 80–120 nanometers in diameter such that the smallest virions adopt an elliptical shape. The length of each particle varies considerably, owing to the fact that influenza is pleomorphic, and can be in excess of many tens of micrometers, producing filamentous virions."
"Each SARS-CoV-2 virion is 50–200 nanometres in diameter"
Not all masks are created equal. Some work better than others. Part of social distancing is to spend as little time as possible in the presence of non-family persons. In addition, droplets, even aerosols, do not remain suspended in the air. Aerosols can go further and stay in the air longer, depending on air circulation, but even they eventually fall to the floor.
No mask will stop every viral particle, even an N95, but they do help.
So your argument says that the COVID virus can be as small as 50 nm, and the flu can be as small as 80. Paper mask and handkerchief will not filter out either virus.
As to different masks, barely anyone is wearing an N95 mask. All these government mask mandates are referring to cheap paper masks and even handkerchiefs.
Frankly, I do not know. The desire for numbers related to medicine appears to be bottomless.
It seems to be an arbitrary choice to declare "yup, that patient in room 101 died from COVID." I'm not accusing doctors of knowingly making false statements, but there really is no way to prove it either way.
Some benefits of declaring a death by COVID:
1) The feds do pay hospitals extra money for COVID patients, and pays more $$$ if those patients go on a ventilator.
2) Since there is no cure for COVID... Telling loved ones that a person died of COVID can relieve a doctor from being held accountable for mistakes, improper care or improper diagnosis that might have caused the death. Those other possible causes of death might be uncovered if they had been focused upon if COVID was not cited as causing the death.
3) Some people are lazy
4) Some people might have their own personal or political motivations for exaggerating the numbers of COVID deaths.
5) Lastly, there doesn't seem to be a downside to pronouncing COVID as the cause of death, so this makes it an easy choice to make to cover any other motivations.
Yes, I know that. However, once you are to the point of shedding the virus, the viral load will be high, and affecting you, making you ill, and you will feel sick. But just because you feel like you have the flu, still doesn't mean you have COVID.
My point is that if you are sick enough to shed the virus, you will probably know you are sick, and healthy people wearing a mask will do next to nothing to protect them from breathing in the virus.
You can spread virus without ever feeling the least bit sick.
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Originally Posted by Wapasha
So your argument says that the COVID virus can be as small as 50 nm, and the flu can be as small as 80. Paper mask and handkerchief will not filter out either virus.
As to different masks, barely anyone is wearing an N95 mask. All these government mask mandates are referring to cheap paper masks and even handkerchiefs.
There is no reason for anyone to be using a single layer of fabric. Some fabric masks can be very effective. No mask will be 100%. The goal is to reduce risk. It is not possible to 100% eliminate it.
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Originally Posted by Wapasha
It seems to be an arbitrary choice to declare "yup, that patient in room 101 died from COVID." I'm not accusing doctors of knowingly making false statements, but there really is no way to prove it either way.
Some benefits of declaring a death by COVID:
1) The feds do pay hospitals extra money for COVID patients, and pays more $$$ if those patients go on a ventilator.
2) Since there is no cure for COVID... Telling loved ones that a person died of COVID can relieve a doctor from being held accountable for mistakes, improper care or improper diagnosis that might have caused the death. Those other possible causes of death might be uncovered if they had been focused upon if COVID was not cited as causing the death.
3) Some people are lazy
4) Some people might have their own personal or political motivations for exaggerating the numbers of COVID deaths.
5) Lastly, there doesn't seem to be a downside to pronouncing COVID as the cause of death, so this makes it an easy choice to make to cover any other motivations.
There is no extra money for a COVID-19 death.
The extra money is because it costs more to treat COVID-19 than other infections with a similar hospital course. There are costs for modifying additional rooms for isolation, more PPE, and additional staff. It takes about five people to safely turn a patient who is on a ventilator, for example. Some hospitals have even set up teams trained to do it. Even with the extra 20% hospitals begin to lose money if someone is on a vent more than four days.
Mistaking something else for COVID-19 is unlikely, and imputing laziness to people treating it is a real kick in the teeth to those working long hours and risking infection themselves. You might ask what the motivation is for people to downplay the risk of mortality from COVID-19. As best I can tell, it just helps some folks feel safer. If you think the number of deaths is exaggerated, please tell us what is causing the excess deaths that just happen to start when the coronavirus arrived.
There are criteria for assigning COVID-19 as a cause of death, and they are actually straight forward. The goal is to get as accurate a count as possible. That means neither overcounting or undercounting, and the latter seems more likely (those pesky excess deaths again).
You can spread virus without ever feeling the least bit sick.
It's possible, but you seem pretty damn sure. You should cite the data that says that people feeling perfectly fine, as in asymptomatic, are spreading this particular virus. I'm not seeing definitive proof that you seem to think exists.
There is no reason for anyone to be using a single layer of fabric. Some fabric masks can be very effective. No mask will be 100%. The goal is to reduce risk. It is not possible to 100% eliminate it.
This is not the science that states are pushing, nor is Biden. They just want to demand we all wear a mask, no matter what or why.
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There is no extra money for a COVID-19 death.
The extra money is because it costs more to treat COVID-19 than other infections with a similar hospital course. There are costs for modifying additional rooms for isolation, more PPE, and additional staff. It takes about five people to safely turn a patient who is on a ventilator, for example. Some hospitals have even set up teams trained to do it. Even with the extra 20% hospitals begin to lose money if someone is on a vent more than four days.
Mistaking something else for COVID-19 is unlikely, and imputing laziness to people treating it is a real kick in the teeth to those working long hours and risking infection themselves. You might ask what the motivation is for people to downplay the risk of mortality from COVID-19. As best I can tell, it just helps some folks feel safer. If you think the number of deaths is exaggerated, please tell us what is causing the excess deaths that just happen to start when the coronavirus arrived.
There are criteria for assigning COVID-19 as a cause of death, and they are actually straight forward. The goal is to get as accurate a count as possible. That means neither overcounting or undercounting, and the latter seems more likely (those pesky excess deaths again).
I understand that treating a person with COVID costs more money, because of the isolation and other factors. I'm not arguing about that, so why bring it up as if I was?
There is extra money if someone dies from something that COVID is not responsible for, and then testing after their death and discovering they tested positive for COVID. You could be admitted to the emergency room for a car accident, be placed on a ventilator and die, and test positive for COVID after death, and the feds pay the hospital extra cash for it.
Why test a car accident victim, stroke or heart attack victim for COVID, when their admittance and death had nothing to do with the disease?
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