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Old 07-15-2020, 11:02 AM
 
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Where was that proven?

What I'M seeing is, for example, a hairdresser who cut hair and then tested positive didn't spread covid to her 132 customers she worked on while she was unknowingly contagious, because both she and the customer were wearing masks.

Where have you seen it proven that someone contracted covid from someone who was masked, while they themselves were also masked?
Where is it proven it has prevented covid.
Are they collecting data on the use of mask by covid positive patients, those testing negative.
Why are so many health care workers contracting covid if both they and patients are masked. Just asking.
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Old 07-15-2020, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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He isn't dictating whether schools open.
No but he is threatening to withhold federal funds from states that allow schools not to open. Mind you, 1 it is not up to a President to decide that and 2 it is a states' rights issue for how they run. Trump was fine with states' rights when Republican governors wanted to reopen states too soon without the federal guidelines for phasing. As soon as states say "Wait a second, we need to slowdown" or "Maybe it is too soon to reopen schools because we can't get children to wear masks" Trump threatens them. Had Obama done this, y'all giving Trump slack would call this socialism and suppression of states' rights. GMAFB.
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Old 07-15-2020, 11:06 AM
 
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The president of the United States can not and should not dictate face mask usage. That is, per the 10th Amendment, the right and responsibility of each individual state’s governor. As it should be. The appropriate measures for Alaska will differ than what is needed for Florida, and that is true all across the nation.

Individual businesses have every right to determine what they want in their stores provided they meet the health codes of their location.

This IS the appropriate way. By the way, our Walmart has required masks for well over a month, because our GOVERNOR put out that guidance as soon as we started opening. He has now turned it into a mandate for the stores that didn’t previously voluntarily enforce it. If it isn’t happening in your area and you think it should, contact your governor.
The poster said a vacuum in leadership, not an absence of federal mandate. Leadership doesn’t just come in the form of mandates. Leadership can come in the form of leading by example, or in the form of encouraging states to act through political dialogue. Please, dispense with the fatally flawed strawman arguments about “10A and therefore Trump has no power to do anything”.

Trump could have and should have been a leader in many ways during this pandemic. Except he didn’t lead and still hasn’t. He chose the opposite, like interfering with local face covering mandates by claiming masks are a political statement.

As it relates to this pandemic, he threatened schools that will not reopen in the fall with federal subsidy suspensions. His administration cannot and should not unilaterally withhold federal dollars approved by Congress, yet he has done it in the Ukraine business and now threatens public schools with the same. Your selective “can not and should not” is quite transparent dear. Be well.
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Old 07-15-2020, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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He isn't dictating whether schools open.
He threatened to withhold funding if schools don’t open.

How is that not “dictating?”

As for Walmart - long past time that they did this.
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Old 07-15-2020, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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OP prefers corporate-minded totalitarian leadership based on speculation rather than common sense and personal responsibility.
Unfortunately about 40% of the US population is devoid of both.
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Old 07-15-2020, 11:15 AM
 
Location: FL
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Considering the meltdowns many people are having about wearing a mask which is caught on video, I hope these stores have security at the door.
Exactly!
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Old 07-15-2020, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Where is it proven it has prevented covid.
Are they collecting data on the use of mask by covid positive patients, those testing negative.
Why are so many health care workers contracting covid if both they and patients are masked. Just asking.
Yes, that’s exactly what they did in the case of that salon. Google it.

Health care workers have much greater and longer exposure than does the average person going in and out of Walmart, etc.
They are also less able to maintain (any) distance between themselves and those with the virus, medical care being, you know, hands on and all.
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Old 07-15-2020, 11:17 AM
 
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He threatened to withhold funding if schools don’t open.

How is that not “dictating?”

As for Walmart - long past time that they did this.
Because the president does not have the power to withhold federal funding to public schools.
A tweet is not a directive.
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Old 07-15-2020, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Because the president does not have the power to withhold federal funding to public schools.
A tweet is not a directive.
Odd that the president would threaten something that he doesn’t have the power to do, isn’t it?

Why would he take the time to do that if he didn’t think it might prove effective in getting the results he wants?
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Old 07-15-2020, 11:21 AM
 
Location: In the reddest part of the bluest state
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we were in a Walmart yesterday in a town that requires masks when in public. Big signs posted at the entrance. Less than half the customers were wearing masks.
Agree, I live in the middle of trumplandia and mask compliance at walmart, despite large and obvious signs on the entrance is 30% at best. So i don't shop there, I go to Costco and Trader Joes where compliance is close to 100% with a few rogues here and there.
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