Your tax dollars at work: Smithsonian pushes 'woke' idiocy & 'white fragility' (Mexican, Amish)
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so some years ago a guy started going to prisons to help the inmates so when they got out they would not reoffend.
When mothers day came around, he brought hundreds of Mothers Day cards for the inmates to send to their mothers. They were all taken and mailed.
Later that year he did the same thing for fathers day. something like 4 inmates mailed a card to their fathers.
White. thats stupid. What needs to happen is these crazy people saying its "white" to have a mom and a dad in the home need to stop that clap and start telling people to figure out how to be responsible adults and have long lasting relationships where moms and dads raise their children. period. it isnt "white". It is right. period. There is no room for discussion.
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The problem I have with your post is that you are basically saying that the white man created the modern world. White people create science, work schedules, modern medicine, etc. Are you saying we would not have the modern world if it was left up to POC?
This is a good question, and the fact is, I don't know. I do know Ancient Egyptians had indoor plumbing, and I believe the Chinese came up with modern math concepts.
I don't know what the world would look like right now, with no caucasians.
But I think there is value to saying, not everyone has to adhere to the Protestant Work Ethic. Protestant work ethic isn't the "correct" way to live, it's the way we value living.
There is also value to having a slower, less work frenzied life and living with less accumulation of money and possessions.
Not everyone needs to value living as a family unit away from extended family. On another thread today I saw black people jeered at for using free child care provided by grandparents. And that's a problem?
And I especially bristled at the OP coming up with "respect for authority" and "delayed gratification" which were NOT listed as cultural differences. That was just a racist slap out of nowhere.
I guess it's only fair, since so many non-POC are always ranting on about what black culture "is"
they are? where do you see that 'always' happen?
i've virtually never observed this.
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Do you not agree that these are traits of white culture as perceived by POC??
i really have no idea, but as a general rule, i would sure hope not. do POC really see timeliness, hard work, delayed gratification, and belief in scientific principles as 'white' phenomena?
The posting compares the dominant white protestant way of looking at the world, and saying it's maybe not the only way, and other choices are acceptable also.
And yes, home ownership is probably a good way to "build wealth". If that's your goal. "Building wealth" isn't the goal of all people in all cultures - in some cultures, enjoying life and counting your blessings and singing and dancing together are their goals.
I do realize it's hard to let go of our protestant work ethic as "the only way". It's not the only way, but for some reason we're so entrenched that we believe it is.
(An aside, and maybe a whole different topic all together, is that it's called the Protestant Work ethic when the Christian bible clearly tells people not to accumulate wealth, and to only "give us this day our daily bread", yet Protestants work ethic dictates people spend the bulk of their energy until they're old and feeble accumulating possessions and money. Just a thought.)
Sure, but don't expect the same rewards as those who choose to work hard. But that's really the unspoken issue here, isn't it?
I agree with most of that. I'm not sure why it's being vilified as a bad thing. Most of those things were good decent ways to live life and have a functioning society.
SOME cultures value cooperation over individual achievement.
You see them as "positive" because that's your culture.
Some families want their children to sleep together, because being separated out isn't how they are most comfortable.
You view individual effort and individual achievement over collaboration, but that doesn't make your preference correct. It just makes it culturally yours.
Spending the majority of your lifetime working, to accumulate material items that you don't need and don't use, is a value that not every culture embraces. It's not wrong, it's not right, it's just a preference.
You somehow have taken the value “working hard” and aligned it with accumulating material things you don’t need; IOW, you twisted an admirable value into something shallow and not necessarily positive.
What if “working hard” simply means to put in the effort necessary to rise from a poor background and live a comfortable, middle class lifestyle where he or she can be completely self-supporting? Or, “working hard” means being raised in a middle class home but still needing to put in full effort to stay there?
There ARE values that are good, and preferable to others. It IS, for example, preferable that people have children only once they can afford them, and that they are married before they do so.
Hm. Looks like it started a pretty lively conversation, to me.
In a tiny, kind of trivial way, it's a little like talking to someone who's left handed, and hearing how they navigate a right handed world. It's just good information, and things right handed people don't realize are built for their way of doing things. Despite the fact that 12% of the population is left handed.
I'm left handed and harbor zero resentment towards the right-handed world. I don't demand that right-handers change anything about their behavior, even under the pretense of "starting a conversation."
Not everyone needs to value living as a family unit away from extended family. On another thread today I saw black people jeered at for using free child care provided by grandparents. And that's a problem?
Really? Is multigenerational child care actually jeered at? I doubt it.
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And I especially bristled at the OP coming up with "respect for authority" and "delayed gratification" which were NOT listed as cultural differences. That was just a racist slap out of nowhere.
"Spending the majority of your lifetime working, to accumulate material items that you don't need and don't use, is a value that not every culture embraces."
That is a phrase also not listed as a cultural difference by the museum, yet clearly attributed to "whiteness", presented on this very thread. I don't bristle at it. I just realize some people like making sweeping statements that do not apply. You know, crude stereotyping at best. Even a racist statement by certain one way standards.
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The sadist (and scariest) part about this is that this is actually extremely racist in and of itself. The underlying assumption is that blacks can't be these things. If I was black, I would be insulted, and I'm sure some are. I wonder how many successful blacks would take issue with most of these things.
It blows my mind how blatantly racists this is and yet only a few people see it. Most people are just sheep following there masters.
Exactly. It's the exact same things that a white supremacist would say about blacks and other non-whites.
It's incredible that this stuff is taken seriously. There are many immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean who do embody the values that the museum denigrates.
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