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Traffic stop is extremely dangerous because you have no idea who is behind the steering wheel. I've arrested people for felony warrants, weapons, drugs, etc from traffic stops all the time.
This is the dumbest thing, ever. They clearly do live in a bubble and have no idea what goes on in the rest of the world. Just about 100 miles from them, in the Central Valley, 2 cops, at 2 different times, were shot and killed when they performed a traffic stop within the last 3 years...maybe it was less than 3 years.
The perps shot them as the cops (each stop), approached the car. It wasn't even about waiting to hear what the cop might have said was the reason for pulling them over, it wasn't after the cop asked to search their car, or after the cop told them to step out, it was as the cops approached each individual at the beginning of the stop.
That happens all over the country - but they want to put unarmed morons out there to stop people? Who are these people? The ones who drive slow in the fast lane because they want to control everyone? They're going to learn real fast that people aren't going to show them any more respect than they would a cop.
They are doing the same fricken thing that a cop would do, but without the training, without the backup, without a weapon to protect themselves - this is so stupid - do people not have functioning brains? Are they on drugs? What is wrong with these fools?
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Originally Posted by Casey73
Get the popcorn ready. This will be fun to watch. Normally I would pose the question, "who would be stupid enough to take that job?", but it's California and it's Berkeley so there is no shortage of stupid people.
Stupidity should be painful, it should not be deadly. I find nothing "fun" about this. Even if the person is a Karen on the road, or the person is ridiculously naive, I find no joy in watching anyone get gunned down for pulling someone over to let them know that they have violated a law.
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Do you not see the problem? When the driver tried to exercise her rights under the law...police threatened and intimidated by telling her what they COULD DO, even if she rejected their search request!
How would police like it if citizens did the same thing when they were trying to detain or arrest someone? Maybe police need a taste of their own medicine?
It doesn't matter what they "could do", you say "no", and that's the end of it. They can sit there and rant and scream all they want, shut your damn mouth after that. Don't answer questions, don't get into a debate, don't talk to them at all except to say "no" if they ask to search your vehicle. All you have to do is give them your information and shut your mouth.
Do you think it's going to be any different with these social workers? They are doing the exact same job as the cop - the only thing that has changed is that at first, they'll be all nice and sweet:
"Heeeeeey, how are ya? So, like,,," (because it's California) "...I'm sorry, but I pulled you over because you were, like, speeding?, and, like, that's not right? Um...like, I'm sorry, but i need to see your license and also, like if you're registered and have, like, insurance and everything? Sorry."
And at first, they may have some very peaceful interactions, and they may think that this is the greatest idea on the planet.
But soon, they'll meet that one person who is going to change their mind...possibly their life.
And as they meet more of those "one person"s, they're going to get just as jaded as some of the cops out there. It won't take long. You can only deal with so much trash before it starts to change you.
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Its ridiculous imo, cops pretending to be concerned about random tail lights not working or other minor malfunctions on the car...JUST so they can pull over a car they suspect is up to no good (or has drugs in the car),
This is exactly what happened to a car I was in once, I forget the reason they pulled us over, I believe it was a turn signal not working right, however it didnt take long for the concern to shift to DRUGS!! And when the driver tried to exercise her right to reject a vehicle search, police made a joke of it, threatening and intimidating her in hopes she would change her mind out of fear, if they can do this when citizens try to exercise their rights, why can we not do the same back to them when they use their rights to detain or arrest?
Whats really ridiculous about it, by the time they let us go, nothing was ever said again about the non functioning turn signal. LOL
This is par for the course for law enforcement...Using 'safety/security' as a disguise! Its very clear the cops that stopped us, were not worried about the turn signal malfunctioning, they were MORE worried about what substances we may have in the car!
You realize that traffic stops have resulted in the capture of serial killers, and murderers, right? Tim McVeigh and bundy were both caught due to traffic stops.There was a serial killer in ny that had a dead body under a tarp in the back of a pickup, that was pulled over for a minor traffic violation, that was arrested, when cop discovered the body. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...5sHC9m&cf=1
What if speeders drive in an area with no traffic cams? What about people with broken tail light or head light? What about vehicles with expired tags? What about DUI? What about people use tinted/shield license plate covers to defeat traffic cams? What about people drive stolen vehicles registered in NCIC?
I can go on and on.
I never said get rid of the police, I just said it seems to me that using cameras would not only be safer for everyone (no one getting pulled over and risking getting hit by a car not paying attention and who would speed if they knew the camera would always catch you), but it would also be equitable. No more cute woman batting her eyelashes and getting away with a warning when she should have gotten a ticket.
Use cameras and such for speeders, traffic light runners, etc for minor infractions and save the police for the actual misdemeanors and felonies. Most traffic tickets are for speeding followed by running a red light. It would save money and increase revenues and free up police for real policing.
Please explain how arresting someone at a traffic stop for drugs, is going to result in them not using drugs anymore?
Wouldnt it more effective if an addiction specialist intervened, instead of a cop? Maybe find out why they are using drugs in the first place?! lol
Wouldn't it be more effective if the authorities (i.e. Police) made it very difficult to use drugs in addition to using an addiction specialist to get them off drugs? The person can't use drugs if they have no access to them.
Also the main point is to keep people from starting - if you don't make it difficult, more will get addicted.
Wouldn't it be more effective if the authorities (i.e. Police) made it very difficult to use drugs in addition to using an addiction specialist to get them off drugs? The person can't use drugs if they have no access to them.
Also the main point is to keep people from starting - if you don't make it difficult, more will get addicted.
This is correct. If you make a law, or make it allowable for people to use drugs, they're going to use drugs. If you make a law or make it allowable to kill someone, people are going to kill. If you make a law, or make it allowable to steal, people are going to steal.
I don't understand how the volumes of evidence of these things hasn't clicked in peoples minds. Make it allowable to use drugs, what happened? Even more people started using drugs.
Make it allowable to shop lift up to a certain amount. What happened? People started shoplifting up to that amount, and keep going back for more.
In war, you're allowed to kill people - and some take it too far. They aren't technically allowed to kill anyone and everyone, but, when you allow people to kill, they're going to kill.
And yet some idiots in this country don't understand that. What unicorn island do these fools live on?
Maybe we should just give Berkely the benefit of the doubt? I think that since their bans on nuclear weapons, whaling etc. that there have been no whale killings or nuclear weapons usage in the city.
Sort of - the ban on nuclear weapons was 1986 and UC Berkeley had a research reactor on campus that was not decommissioned until 1987 that was used to test the nuclear weapon components and nuclear blast impact on electronics. Berkeley still has a cyclotron in the city limits that was used to first create and identify many of the high energy particles such as Plutonium (Atomic Number 94), Berkelium (Atomic Number 97), and Californium (Atomic Number 98). Also UC Berkeley did much of the research for the Manhattan Project to develop the first nuclear weapons, including developing the first tritium that is the basis for Hydrogen bombs. The Lawrence Berkeley Lab set up and ran, until a few years ago, the Lawrence Livermore Lab, the Los Alamos National Lab and the Sandia National Lab that designed and tested most of the US Nuclear weapons.
This stupidity is going to get a lot of people hurt and killed.
I've said it before, I'll say it again.........Berzerkeley!
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