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Old 07-17-2020, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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...because it depends on the severity of the anything-else so there's no generic blanket statement answer?
You contradict yourself below.

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Wrong.

Pandemic is a term that defines geographical spread.
So the common cold is a pandemic?

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No, we very much do have a viral pandemic problem.
Not by the data we don't. Just by the fear-mongering media.
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Are you a flat-earther?
...seriously? That's what this has come down to? Insult people's intelligence because you disagree with them?
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Old 07-17-2020, 10:08 AM
 
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That's literally what asymptomatic means! Unless you know of some way of damaging body tissue with no effect on the person.
See Typhoid Mary. This is something that has been known about certain diseases since the early 20th century. And don't think that just because is the washington post it is fake new. Epidemiologists have known that not everyone will display illness for some diseases.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/histo...y-coronavirus/








Sure you can damage body tissue and not trigger the symptoms of an disease. Much of what you feel when you get ill isn't the damage of the illness but the immune systems response to it. Fever, Cough, inflammation, diarrhea and nausea are responses of the body and not directly caused by the damage of the infection. Fever turns up the heat and makes it harder for certain types of infections to reproduce at the risk of damaging the body itself. Cough helps clear the airways(at the risk of spreading the infection to others), diarrhea and nausea attempt to flush out the invader(at the risk of dehydration). These are responses of the body to the problem but so long as the illness does not trigger them you won't feel ill. An example might be a person breaking into the 2nd floor of an house with an alarm system. So long as he does not trigger it it won't go off.

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And we've never worried about them before. We don't demand people randomly take flu tests in case they're presymptomatic.
We have indeed worried about asymptomatic and presymptomatic people before. We wouldn't demand people randomly take CoviD tests either that is an waste. However if you have been exposed to COVID, or say a very serious strain of the flu(H1N1 or the 1918 flu) or we would. This is why Contact tracing and getting the number of people infected down is so important. If we can contact people who have been exposed when they are asymptomatic or presymptomatic we can reduce the spread of the disease. They can get an test and self quarantine. Basically if you have been exposed to COVID and don't test positive after 14 days you likely didn't get it.You can end the quarantine but if you do test positive or develop symptoms you are a danger and should stay quarantined until you don't test positive.




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AND!? That's been true of multiple viruses and bacteria for decades! The prevalence of that in young people is minuscule, so small that no one seems to want to actually share that number, instead trotting out an attention-grabbing headline every week of one random person that did have some kind of long-lasting effect...which we don't know is long lasting since we've supposedly only had this thing for four months now.
Not true. At the moment younger people are the ones who are being hospitalized at an high rate. just that they are more likely to survive. Infection is like a building on fire. Some building types and situations are more dangerous than others but don't think that just because the smoke detector didn't sound or the sprinkler didn't start that there is no danger when you smell smoke or see flames.

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Old 07-17-2020, 10:13 AM
 
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You contradict yourself below.


So the common cold is a pandemic?


Yes, the common cold which is caused by many different virus is an pandemic because of it's global spread. In fact some versions of the Corona virus cause it! One way to think of this is that it's a bad cold that can send some people to their graves, hospitalize others and leave some with injuries.

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Old 07-17-2020, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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I go for FACTS every body has a opinion, but surveys, studies, tests and math show facts! And kids been on true lock down... yet:

California and Mississippi, for instance, are recording rates nearing 10% of overall cases. Florida has found that about a third of all children tested there are infected.

The project has tracked 769 pediatric intensive-care unit admissions related to the virus across the U.S. since mid-March, and 66 deaths in those younger than 20. Some of the severe cases have resulted in a condition similar to Kawasaki disease, which can cause heart and circulatory problems.

State Hotspots:
Arizona: 11% of total cases in those younger than 20.
California: 8.4% in those younger than 18.
Mississippi: 9.4% in those under 18.
Washington state: 11% in those 20 and younger.
Tennessee: 4.5% of cases involving those 10 and under, and 11% for those 11 through 20.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...yeing-openings
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Old 07-17-2020, 10:33 AM
 
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I go for FACTS every body has a opinion, but surveys, studies, tests and math show facts! And kids been on true lock down... yet:

California and Mississippi, for instance, are recording rates nearing 10% of overall cases. Florida has found that about a third of all children tested there are infected.

The project has tracked 769 pediatric intensive-care unit admissions related to the virus across the U.S. since mid-March, and 66 deaths in those younger than 20. Some of the severe cases have resulted in a condition similar to Kawasaki disease, which can cause heart and circulatory problems.

State Hotspots:
Arizona: 11% of total cases in those younger than 20.
California: 8.4% in those younger than 18.
Mississippi: 9.4% in those under 18.
Washington state: 11% in those 20 and younger.
Tennessee: 4.5% of cases involving those 10 and under, and 11% for those 11 through 20.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...yeing-openings
That can't be right. All of those facts must be wrong because Mr Genius up in this thread says kids can't become infected and don't spread covid.

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Old 07-17-2020, 10:35 AM
 
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Florida has found that about a third of all children tested there are infected.
No, that's for Miami-Dade, not the entire state of Florida.
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Old 07-17-2020, 10:36 AM
 
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That can't be right. All of those facts must be wrong because Mr Genius up in this thread says kids can't become infected and don't spread covid.

Obviously kids can get infected, but preliminary studies show that kids are less likely to be infected than adults. And when kids get it, they are almost always asymptomatic. In other words, we shouldn't worry about kids and coronavirus.
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Old 07-17-2020, 10:38 AM
 
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Obviously kids can get infected, but preliminary studies show that kids are less likely to be infected than adults. And when kids get it, they are almost always asymptomatic. In other words, we shouldn't worry about kids and coronavirus.
That's a far throw from the assertion that kids don't get it and don't spread it, which is clearly a huge lie.

Those are the kinds of lies that are dangerous when spread to other less-than-brilliant people who believe anything and then spread that same lie --JUST LIKE the spread of Covid.
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Old 07-17-2020, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Hoosierville
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That's a far throw from the assertion that kids don't get it and don't spread it, which is clearly a huge lie.

Those are the kinds of lies that are dangerous when spread to other less-than-brilliant people who believe anything and then spread that same lie --JUST LIKE the spread of Covid.



No one ever said they don't get it and they don't spread it.
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Old 07-17-2020, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Rio Rancho, NM
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There is little doubt that children are less affected by coronavirus than adults but there is a lot of evidence to indicate they are just as likely to be infected by the virus and serve as transmitters.

Can children carry the coronavirus and spread it?

“I think the answer is conclusively, without a doubt – yes,” said Dr. Lara Shekerdemian, chief of critical care at Texas Children’s Hospital.

Surveillance screening, which is testing all children admitted to the hospital, has revealed a higher percentage of them carrying the virus and not showing any symptoms, she said.

The trend is consistent with data from Florida. About one-third of children tested in the state for COVID-19 returned positive results, which is higher than the overall statewide positivity rate of 11%, according to state data.
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