Joe Biden Ranked 76th in a Class of 85 in Law School (Putin, salary)
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Just having a degree does NOT guarantee ANYTHING. It is what you DO with what you learned that really counts.
Some are great at book learning but, cannot put what they learned into practical use.
Studying the law is a LOT different then PRACTICING the law.
You can study the National Electric Code and repeat passages by heart. It does NOT mean can use a screwdriver or a drill. Tools REQUIRED to be an electrician.
Are you arguing that Biden does not put his legal education to use as a Senator?
Has Mr. Transparency, President Trump, released his educational records, or are they likewise 'sealed'?
"implies a court order," not always.
"It would be illegal under federal law (the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act of 1974) for Occidental, Columbia or Harvard Law School to give any former student’s records to reporters or members of the public without that person’s specific, written permission. ( in other words the college has (sealed" them) Obama hasn’t released them, but neither have other presidential candidates released their college records"
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Biden has a law degree though, and Trump doesn't. Even if Biden was last in his class for his law degree, he's still ahead of Trump.
Where did career politician Biden get all of his wealth from? Tax payer money, and back room dealings with (including but not limited to foreign governments).
Interesting thread. So I looked into Biden's academic record. It appears that he finished very near the bottom of the class both as an undergraduate and as a law student. It may be worth noting, also, that Trump's degree is from an Ivy League school, whereas Biden's schools are pretty ordinary. I would also note that a law degree -- Juris Doctor -- is a doctorate in name only, and is not at all comparable to the PhD or MD. The Juris Doctor is charitably described as being on the level of a master's degree.
How much, I say to myself, does the president's intelligence or academic achievement matter? For both of these guys, school was a very long time ago so I would guess that academics matter little. Think about intelligence. Does a high level of intelligence correlate with a good presidency? Both Nixon and Carter were highly intelligent, and both were lousy presidents. Woodrow Wilson, PhD, might be another example.
But here is the real bummer: The USA is in a sad state when our two presidential candidates are of the calibre we have today. It may be that we are entering a new dark age, and that the next decade or so will not smile kindly on the USA.
I would also note that a law degree -- Juris Doctor -- is a doctorate in name only, and is not at all comparable to the PhD or MD. The Juris Doctor is charitably described as being on the level of a master's degree.
I strongly agree.
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Originally Posted by Hamish Forbes
How much, I say to myself, does the president's intelligence or academic achievement matter? For both of these guys, school was a very long time ago so I would guess that academics matter little. Think about intelligence. Does a high level of intelligence correlate with a good presidency? Both Nixon and Carter were highly intelligent, and both were lousy presidents. Woodrow Wilson, PhD, might be another example.
In my opinion the best presidents have come out of the military academies. A great president has to inspire subordinates, delegate responsibility appropriately and by god get things done. Intelligence alone is not enough to get good results as president. I do understand that the left feels they have to self promote academic accomplishments
In my opinion the best presidents have come out of the military academies. A great president has to inspire subordinates, delegate responsibility appropriately and by god get things done. Intelligence alone is not enough to get good results as president. I do understand that the left feels they have to self promote academic accomplishments
1. Well, U.S. Grant's tenure was marked by scandals and corruption; he may have been well regarded as a general, but he was far less successful in the White House.
2. Funny you mentioned this - Trump is all about self-promotion of his "glorious accomplishments" - and he has crowed about having attended Wharton. Your point now?
Interesting thread. So I looked into Biden's academic record. It appears that he finished very near the bottom of the class both as an undergraduate and as a law student. It may be worth noting, also, that Trump's degree is from an Ivy League school, whereas Biden's schools are pretty ordinary. I would also note that a law degree -- Juris Doctor -- is a doctorate in name only, and is not at all comparable to the PhD or MD. The Juris Doctor is charitably described as being on the level of a master's degree.
How much, I say to myself, does the president's intelligence or academic achievement matter? For both of these guys, school was a very long time ago so I would guess that academics matter little. Think about intelligence. Does a high level of intelligence correlate with a good presidency? Both Nixon and Carter were highly intelligent, and both were lousy presidents. Woodrow Wilson, PhD, might be another example.
But here is the real bummer: The USA is in a sad state when our two presidential candidates are of the calibre we have today. It may be that we are entering a new dark age, and that the next decade or so will not smile kindly on the USA.
" The USA is in a sad state when our two presidential candidates are of the calibre we have today."
I'll take very successful businessman who built an Empire over a carer politician ANY day, and NEVER vote for lawyer!
An interesting read, IMO
A LAWYER WITH A BRIEFCASE CAN STEAL MORE THAN A THOUSAND MEN WITH GUNS.
Every Democrat presidential nominee since 1984 went to law school (although Gore did not graduate). Every Democrat vice presidential nominee since 1976, except for Lloyd Bentsen, went to law school. Barack Obama was a lawyer. Michelle Obama was a lawyer. Hillary Clinton was a lawyer. Bill Clinton was a lawyer. John Edwards is a lawyer. Elizabeth Edwards was a lawyer. Look at leaders of the Democrat Party in Congress: Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer is a lawyer. Ex-Senator Harry Reid is a lawyer.
The Republican Party is different. President Trump is a businessman. President Bush 1 and 2 were businessmen. Vice President Cheney is a businessman. President Eisenhower was a 5 star General Officer.
The leaders of the Republican Revolution: Newt Gingrich was a history professor. Tom Delay was an exterminator. Dick Armey was an economist. Ex-House Minority Leader John Boehner was a plastics manufacturer. The former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist is a heart surgeon. Who was the last Republican president who was a lawyer? Gerald Ford, who left office 31 years ago and who barely won the Republican nomination as a sitting president, running against actor Ronald Reagan in 1976. The Republican Party is made up of real people doing real work, who are often the targets of lawyers. This is very interesting. I never thought about it this way.
The Democrat Party is made up of lawyers. Democrats mock and scorn men who create wealth, like Trump, Bush, and Cheney, or who heal the sick like Frist, or who immerse themselves in history like Gingrich. The Lawyers Party sees these sorts of people, who provide goods and services that people want, as the enemies of America. And, so, in the eyes of the Lawyers Party, we have seen the procession of official enemies grow. Against whom do Hillary and Obama rail? Pharmaceutical companies, oil companies, hospitals, manufacturers, fast food restaurant chains, large retail businesses, bankers, and anyone producing anything of value in our nation. This is the natural consequence of viewing everything through the eyes of lawyers.
Lawyers solve problems by successfully representing their clients, in this case the American people. Lawyers seek to have new laws passed, they seek to win lawsuits, they press appellate courts to overturn precedent, and lawyers always parse language to favor their side.
Confined to the narrow practice of law, that is fine. But it is an awful way to govern a great nation. When politicians, as lawyers, begin to view some Americans as clients and other Americans as opposing parties, then the role of the legal system in our life becomes all-consuming. Some Americans become adverse parties of our very government. We are not all litigants in some vast social class-action suit. We are citizens of a republic that promises us a great deal of freedom from laws, from courts, and from lawyers.
Today, we are drowning in laws; we are contorted by judicial decisions; we are driven to distraction by omnipresent lawyers in all parts of our once private lives. America has a place for laws and lawyers, but that place is modest and reasonable, not vast and unchecked. When the most important decision for our next president is whom he will appoint to the Supreme Court, the role of lawyers and the law in America is too big. When House Democrats sue America in order to hamstring our efforts to learn what our enemies are planning to do to us, then the role of litigation in America has become crushing.
Perhaps Americans will understand that change cannot be brought to our nation by those lawyers who already largely dictate American society and business. Perhaps Americans will see that hope does not come from the mouths of lawyers but from personal dreams nourished by hard work. Perhaps Americans will embrace the truth that more lawyers with more power will only make our problems worse.
The United States has 5% of the world's population and 66% of the world's lawyers! Tort (Legal) reform legislation has been introduced in congress several times in the last several years to limit punitive damages in ridiculous lawsuits such as spilling hot coffee on yourself and suing the establishment that sold it to you and also to limit punitive damages in huge medical malpractice lawsuits. This legislation has continually been blocked from even being voted on by the Democrat Party. When you see that 97% of the political contributions from the American Trial Lawyers Association go to the Democrat Party, then you realize who is responsible for our medical and product costs being so high.
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