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Old 07-18-2020, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Chisago Lakes, Minnesota
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I believe the nation has reached a divided point of no return politically, socially, spiritually... everything. I've seen this coming ever since the resurgence of wartime patriotism post 9/11 failed to sustain itself and was almost immediately replaced with the constant widening of the political gap.

I am not advocating or promoting civil war in any way, shape or form (although I fear that is where we are headed regardless if things stay as they are).....but my question is were it possible to divide the country into separate nations WITHOUT resorting to violence, would you be for it or no?

Separate nations that would basically start over with everything. I would be for building a wall between them and severely restricting travel between the two so as to avoid one side infiltrating the other and taking things back to square one.

I know this a potentially volatile and obviously vague scenario chock full of what if's, but I thought I might serve up some tasty food for thought this afternoon in the midst of 2020's seemingly incessant chaos.
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Old 07-18-2020, 01:53 PM
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No, I wouldn't because about half the people I love would live separate from the other half.

What I WOULD like, though, is land designated to people who want everyone to be separate, where they can go themselves to separate so the rest of us can live in peace.

So you crazy people on the right, go to South Dakota. You crazy people on the left, go to Alabama.

There. Everyone else, good day.
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Old 07-18-2020, 01:55 PM
 
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I believe the nation has reached a divided point of no return politically, socially, spiritually... everything. I've seen this coming ever since the resurgence of wartime patriotism post 9/11 failed to sustain itself and was almost immediately replaced with the constant widening of the political gap.

I am not advocating or promoting civil war in any way, shape or form (although I fear that is where we are headed regardless if things stay as they are).....but my question is were it possible to divide the country into separate nations WITHOUT resorting to violence, would you be for it or no?

Separate nations that would basically start over with everything. I would be for building a wall between them and severely restricting travel between the two so as to avoid one side infiltrating the other and taking things back to square one.

I know this a potentially volatile and obviously vague scenario chock full of what if's, but I thought I might serve up some tasty food for thought this afternoon in the midst of 2020's seemingly incessant chaos.

The difference between "left" and "right" is the matter of urban versus suburban/rural. Most urban areas in the states are more liberal than the suburban/rural areas.



There are no territorial boundaries that can be drawn to put "all the left over there" and "all the right over here."
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Old 07-18-2020, 01:56 PM
 
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Then both nations would have inner disagreements with how far left they wanna go, then split into 2 parties again...
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Old 07-18-2020, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Chisago Lakes, Minnesota
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The difference between "left" and "right" is the matter of urban versus suburban/rural. Most urban areas in the states are more liberal than the suburban/rural areas.



There are no territorial boundaries that can be drawn to put "all the left over there" and "all the right over here."
Probably not.....but what if the two sides came to an accord and the transfer could somehow be subsidized for the greater good in correlation with preventing an actual war?
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Old 07-18-2020, 01:59 PM
 
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It would represent the downfall of our country as a superpower, but at this point it seems to me that thats the intent of those on the right anyway. Its been discussed a ton on this board, but usually the folks on the right get surprised at how much technology, and....get this...farming the more left wing states do. Especially california.


The other surprise for folks is that theres a ton of folks with opposing views in each state. Yeah we call things red and blue states-but the reality is they ARENT all red, or all blue. Texas is a good example-that one may be blue this election. You arent getting your all red or all blue countries this way.


So ultimately its a failed idea. Russia bankrolled a attempt at this early on in Trumps run. So even our enemies want us to do that. Which should make most reasonable people realize how foolish this is.
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Old 07-18-2020, 01:59 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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No.
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Old 07-18-2020, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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I believe the nation has reached a divided point of no return politically, socially, spiritually.
I advise you to google "2016 election map county". Nearly every city in the country in blue. And so-called "blue-states" vote about 30-45% Republican. And the dichotomy of left and right is pointless because the left goes from blue-dog democrats to communists, and the right from Libertarians to neocons to actual Nazis. The moment you split the country in half, it would immediately want to split again, and again, and again.

Basically, it'll never happen so don't waste your time.
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Old 07-18-2020, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Chisago Lakes, Minnesota
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ultimately its a failed idea. Russia bankrolled a attempt at this early on in Trumps run. So even our enemies want us to do that. Which should make most reasonable people realize how foolish this is.
What if it came down to that or war? Would it be worth trying to avoid the sheer horror and devastation that a civil war would bring?
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Old 07-18-2020, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Was Midvalley Oregon; Now Eastside Seattle area
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I think Putin won, at very little cost.
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