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Old 07-18-2020, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Texas
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So? They have a 99.9% chance of surviving.
that is not strictly true.

And we don't know yet what the long term affects could be in infants (or anyone) who survives covid. There is evidence now that the disease can result in long term neurological damage. This is a new disease we're dealing with here.
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Old 07-18-2020, 09:27 PM
 
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Perhaps but then again will they grow up healthy????
Their synonym for healthy = asymptomatic super-spreader.
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Old 07-18-2020, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Its gonna be here for awhile, so get used to it, because masks and quarantines have been innefective here and that isnt going to change.
Get used to severe illness and premature death? Is America Great Again?
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Old 07-18-2020, 09:46 PM
 
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Get used to severe illness and premature death? Is America Great Again?
There werent severe illnesses and premature deaths prior to covid-19?
Gee where have I been?
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Old 07-18-2020, 09:48 PM
 
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Perhaps but then again will they grow up healthy????
Would they have grown up healthy without it?
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Old 07-18-2020, 10:22 PM
 
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Their synonym for healthy = asymptomatic super-spreader.
Nope, boy they don't teach basic biology or epidemiology anymore. Here is the thing if I inject you with some pathogen(like COVID,HIV, HEPB or even just the common cold) there are many possibilities.


1.You don't get it for some reason(too low a dose, immunity ect..).

2. You do get it. However there is a process in how people get ill.

The time between when you were exposed(injected) and when(and if) you develop symptoms is called the incubation period. For COVID on average it is 5 days but it can be up to 14 days after exposure.

If we just go by symptoms you will feel fine but you may be contagious. For COVID most people become contagious 2-3 days after exposure and are most contagious 1-2 days before developing symptoms. This is called presymptomatic. A COVID test may come back as positive during this time period but you will feel just fine.

With some disease someone can be infected and never develop symptoms. Does not mean that they can't pass it on. This is called Asymptomatic. It does not mean healthy. The illness can be doing damage but you just don't feel sick. i.e. That cholesterol clog in your heart that caused blockage and a fatal heart attack didn't develop just yesterday and infections just don't cause people to react the same way.

An Asymptomatic person can spread illness the most famous one was Typhoid Mary. She was a hard working, Irish gal with an peach ice cream recipe that was quite literally to die for. She was a cook who unfortunately was a carrier of Typhoid. She is linked to 53 cases of the illness and three of them died!

The reason why you don't feel sick is because many of the symptoms of illness have to do with the bodies reaction to illness and not the damage that the illness cause. Fever, coughing, inflammation, diarrhea and vomiting are all reactions of the body to something but if the body does not react you won't have those symptoms. When the body decides to attack the infection Fever, Cough, inflammation, diarrhea and vomiting are tools at it's disposal to help get rid of the infection and not the wrath of the infection.

In addition not everyone will get extremely sick from something some people just get mildly ill but just because they are mildly ill doesn't mean someone else won't get very ill or that they themselves won't become very ill in the future.

Anyway from a public health standpoint people that are asymptomatic, presymptomatic and mildly ill are dangerous because they are not ill enough to stay away from others. I mean would you NOT go to the bar or to work or anywhere if you are feeling just fine or you think it is an little sniffle? People that are extremely sick may be more contagious but they are less up and about and less able to spread infection to people other than caregivers.

Likewise an Asymtomatic infant could:

1. Give the infection to others like grandma who decided to babysit cause mom is hospitalized with COVID

2. We don't know what the infection could do. Some people get long term damage and never developed symptoms.
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Old 07-18-2020, 10:28 PM
 
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Would they have grown up healthy without it?
Yes. It is an patogen, something that causes disease. We know that people who don't have COVID grow up healthy. We don't know if infants who got COVID will or what needs to be done to make sure they do. It just is an risk that we shouldn't be taking.
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Old 07-18-2020, 10:35 PM
 
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Nope, boy they don't teach basic biology or epidemiology anymore. Here is the thing if I inject you with some pathogen(like COVID,HIV, HEPB or even just the common cold) there are many possibilities.


1.You don't get it for some reason(too low a dose, immunity ect..).

2. You do get it. However there is a process in how people get ill.

The time between when you were exposed(injected) and when(and if) you develop symptoms is called the incubation period. For COVID on average it is 5 days but it can be up to 14 days after exposure.

If we just go by symptoms you will feel fine but you may be contagious. For COVID most people become contagious 2-3 days after exposure and are most contagious 1-2 days before developing symptoms. This is called presymptomatic. A COVID test may come back as positive during this time period but you will feel just fine.

With some disease someone can be infected and never develop symptoms. Does not mean that they can't pass it on. This is called Asymptomatic. It does not mean healthy. The illness can be doing damage but you just don't feel sick. i.e. That cholesterol clog in your heart that caused blockage and a fatal heart attack didn't develop just yesterday and infections just don't cause people to react the same way.

An Asymptomatic person can spread illness the most famous one was Typhoid Mary. She was a hard working, Irish gal with an peach ice cream recipe that was quite literally to die for. She was a cook who unfortunately was a carrier of Typhoid. She is linked to 53 cases of the illness and three of them died!

The reason why you don't feel sick is because many of the symptoms of illness have to do with the bodies reaction to illness and not the damage that the illness cause. Fever, coughing, inflammation, diarrhea and vomiting are all reactions of the body to something but if the body does not react you won't have those symptoms. When the body decides to attack the infection Fever, Cough, inflammation, diarrhea and vomiting are tools at it's disposal to help get rid of the infection and not the wrath of the infection.

In addition not everyone will get extremely sick from something some people just get mildly ill but just because they are mildly ill doesn't mean someone else won't get very ill or that they themselves won't become very ill in the future.

Anyway from a public health standpoint people that are asymptomatic, presymptomatic and mildly ill are dangerous because they are not ill enough to stay away from others. I mean would you NOT go to the bar or to work or anywhere if you are feeling just fine or you think it is an little sniffle? People that are extremely sick may be more contagious but they are less up and about and less able to spread infection to people other than caregivers.

Likewise an Asymtomatic infant could:

1. Give the infection to others like grandma who decided to babysit cause mom is hospitalized with COVID

2. We don't know what the infection could do. Some people get long term damage and never developed symptoms.
You must really like to type folksy bromides without knowing squat about immune systems. Aren't you forgetting the 2.2 million dead?
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Old 07-18-2020, 10:38 PM
 
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So many questions that aren't answered in many of the news reports ...

Why were they tested? Did they have symptoms? Are they showing symptoms? Were their families positive? Are they all from the same county?

One would think there would be at least one so-called journalist out there that would provide more info ...

The article states that the hospital did not release more details. Journalists can be asking and the hospital is not releasing more information

I wonder if the infants were living with people who were sick so they tested them.

It is disturbing because we thought it wouldn't impact kids.
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Old 07-18-2020, 10:40 PM
 
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You must really like to type folksy bromides without knowing squat about immune systems. Aren't you forgetting the 2.2 million dead?
I am not an expert but I took a course immunology some time ago. The dead are not a problem. Sad, but true but illness is. It makes people sick and THAT has a greater economic and other impacts to society impact than death itself. I know a bit on how the immune system works. By the way bromides are very useful if toxic chemicals.....
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