Media Has Pushed a New Cold War with Russia

[Oklazona Bound]

Originally Posted by QuakerBaker

As a pacifist I am upset with the media. They pushed a Russia-Collusion-Trump narrative that ended up with a vacant lot on a dead end street. This brought out many anti-Russian feelings among the American people and limited our ability to withdraw unnecessary interventions in Syria and Libya.

Russia influenced our election in 2016. A whole slew of Russian nationals were indicted by Mueller. They hacked the Democrats. They met with the Trump campaign. If you are pro America you should be anti Russia.

Originally Posted by QuakerBaker

Yes, Russia was doing "Facebook comments" to sway Americans. The media was making out their actions to be worse than what it was. And we need to look in a mirror. How many elections has the USA swayed around the globe? We can't say don't mess with elections while messing with other people's elections constantly.

Yes we can say that. Because we swayed an election in Central America we should allow Russia to do that to us? No.

Originally Posted by QuakerBaker

Then the media ran with a Russia was paying to have our soldiers killed (in locations politicians shouldn't be putting them in anyways) and that has had more wheels fall of it this week.

https://original.antiwar.com/reese_e...ry-falls-flat/

You can't build good relations with Russia when the biggest news stories the past 4 years all involve made up anti-Russian exaggerations while ignoring that the US has a long history of doing more than "Facebook posts" in elections.

Why is the goal good relations with Russia? They keep hacking our infrastructure. They did not respect Trump they do not respect Biden. They should be lucky we have not nuked them into oblivion.

Why are you so pro Russia? We need to shut down their internet. Nothing comes out of their country until the stop hacking us. That should be a start. Why do you love mother russia so much?

[Oklazona Bound]

Originally Posted by Spartacus713

And yet we are actually in a cold war with China. But for some reason they are steering clear of pushing that.

We need to be in a cold war with Russia AND China. Anyone who does not feel this way is not a true American.

[atltechdude]

I think Trump himself did plenty to help push that, like when he made it clear he was Putin’s ***** in Helsinki, or when he declined to recognize Russia’s hack on us during the transition, even when Pompeo was saying it was.

[bluesjuke]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

...and not one word about China

would not surprise me one bit.....if China was behind it all

More like Democrats and the Media was their propaganda arm.
"Russian collusion" started with Hillary Clinton's and the FBI's false information not the Press.
thought they were plenty complicit all to damage Trump.

[bluesjuke]

Originally Posted by Spartacus713

And yet we are actually in a cold war with China. But for some reason they are steering clear of pushing that.

Can't step on Biden's "money man".

[QuakerBaker]

Originally Posted by Oklazona Bound

Russia influenced our election in 2016. A whole slew of Russian nationals were indicted by Mueller. They hacked the Democrats. They met with the Trump campaign. If you are pro America you should be anti Russia.


Yes we can say that. Because we swayed an election in Central America we should allow Russia to do that to us? No.

We interfered in Russia's civil war in 1918 by sending military units inside their border.

We interfered in Russia's 1996 election.

We allegedly interfered in Russia's 2011 election.

We fostered a coup in Ukraine in 2014 influencing Putin to be more nuts as Ukraine is strategic economically and militarily for Russia.

We armed rebels and terrorists in Syria including ISIS in part to weaken Russia's influence in and naval base in Syria if pro-Russia Assad is removed. This happened before 2016.

We funded resistance that tried a coup in Belarus, a close Russian ally.


Some say that the US has interfered in foreign elections more than any country in world history...one historian counted over 80 times that the US interfered in a foreign election since the end of WWII.


Does it not take two to Tango? At what point are we behaving like Russia in the name of Russia being bad?


What is wrong with looking at our own sins? If interfering with foreign elections is wrong, why is it okay for the US to do it continually and start coups?



Why is the goal good relations with Russia? They keep hacking our infrastructure.

Originally Posted by Oklazona Bound

They did not respect Trump

Can you blame them there?

Originally Posted by Oklazona Bound

they do not respect Biden. They should be lucky we have not nuked them into oblivion.

Do you honestly think nuking Russia is a reasonable thing right now??!!

Originally Posted by Oklazona Bound

Why are you so pro Russia?

I am pro-peace.

Having so much anti-Russian narratives (much of it proven fake or exaggerated) for years on end alongside ignoring our own poor actions in Russia's neighborhood could lead to a Cold War part two. In the Cold War we nearly went to nuclear war on multiple occasions.

Why does saying that some anti-Russian narratives were not true or that destabilizing Syria to be a thorn to Russia automatically make you state that I am pro-Russia when I am being pro-truth?