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Old 07-22-2020, 10:55 AM
 
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What is wrong with that man. The census is to count people.

President Donald Trump signed a memorandum Tuesday claiming that undocumented migrants should not be counted in the census for purposes of deciding how many members of Congress are apportioned to each state – though the practical impact of the president's expected move is uncertain at best.

"Respect for the law and protection of the integrity of the democratic process warrant the exclusion of illegal aliens from the apportionment base, to the extent feasible and to the maximum extent of the President's discretion under the law," Trump said in the brief document.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-tel...161353555.html
"the census is to count people." What is wrong with you? It's not that hard to understand if you know what is done because of the counts. THEN to gov't appropriates based on THAT COUNT.

And WE are called the Un-educated.

More and more, based on what is said on here and what see on the new, I think we should tests on the Constitution, laws and what fed agencies were established to do, BEFORE you are allowed to vote!
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Old 07-22-2020, 10:57 AM
 
Location: NC
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Political parties should not benefit from the presence of illegal aliens and illegal voters. Period.
Nor the omission of the fact they are here.

report the facts, it is what it is. Correct me if I'm wrong, but "illegals" (counted or not) do not figure in the representation in the house, of electoral votes, etc. It's just knowing who is here.

How can we run a country when we purposely skew or falsify actual records?
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Old 07-22-2020, 10:59 AM
 
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There numbers are not used to make policy, but for determining how many House representatives each state shall have.



I mean, slaves were not considered citizens, or even human, but they were counted (or, each slave counted as 3/5ths of a person), in the census.
"but for determining how many House representatives each state shall have." And you think these ILLEGAL people SHOULD be counted "for determining how many House representatives each state shall have."
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Old 07-22-2020, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Foreign nationals who are living in the United States unlawfully have no business in the United States and their numbers should not be used to make policy. They aren't supposed to be here.
That's exactly right. Why should federal tax dollars go to states that have become sanctuary states in violation of federal immigration law? Once the money dries up, and the jobs dry up the illegal aliens will start to disperse to die off. which after this COVID19 debacle both things happening are a real possibility
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Old 07-22-2020, 11:01 AM
 
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"the census is to count people." What is wrong with you? It's not that hard to understand if you know what is done because of the counts. THEN to gov't appropriates based on THAT COUNT.

And WE are called the Un-educated.

More and more, based on what is said on here and what see on the new, I think we should tests on the Constitution, laws and what fed agencies were established to do, BEFORE you are allowed to vote!
YES But if you choose to ignore the residents who may not have legal status are you getting an accurate picture.

Counting illegal residents does nothing to change policies, etc.

It doesn't change districts for elections, it doesn't figure into anything.

But if you don't count you can make up numbers, ideas, stories and who is to know what is right or wrong.
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Old 07-22-2020, 11:07 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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YES But if you choose to ignore the residents who may not have legal status are you getting an accurate picture.

Counting illegal residents does nothing to change policies, etc.

It doesn't change districts for elections, it doesn't figure into anything.

But if you don't count you can make up numbers, ideas, stories and who is to know what is right or wrong.
All of the children born to these illegals since the 80s that we allowed to stay are of legal voting age. We know how most of them will vote.
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Old 07-22-2020, 11:08 AM
 
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They aren't "undocumented" as in the topic title either. They are illegal aliens and you are correct in everything you stated. My question is how does the census determine who is here illegally and who is not?
Are you this ignorant of how things are done? " My question is how does the census determine who is here illegally and who is not?" The Census CANNOT ASK IF THEY ARE ILLEGAL OR NOT.

Therefore if they are just head counting and districts are established, per the law, by how many people each district can have, Illegals will be counted in readjusting current districts.
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Old 07-22-2020, 11:10 AM
 
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That's exactly right. Why should federal tax dollars go to states that have become sanctuary states in violation of federal immigration law? Once the money dries up, and the jobs dry up the illegal aliens will start to disperse to die off. which after this COVID19 debacle both things happening are a real possibility
And there's the rub. If the federal government would do its job, there would not be any sanctuary cities.

Tending to the borders is the job of the federal government.

Wonder how much money is given to politicians by the employers of illegals. I gave up trying to count what a Houston builder gave to the Republican party. It was millions and millions of dollars. His company survived him and is still doing business. But now they are running their comptroller for congress. It's cheaper than buying it.
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Old 07-22-2020, 11:13 AM
 
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Nor the omission of the fact they are here.

report the facts, it is what it is. Correct me if I'm wrong, but "illegals" (counted or not) do not figure in the representation in the house, of electoral votes, etc. It's just knowing who is here.

How can we run a country when we purposely skew or falsify actual records?
It's my understanding that the number of Electoral College votes each state can cast is adjusted by state population reported by the census. Counting illegals matters to the political party that puts their interests over the interests of citizens.
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Old 07-22-2020, 11:14 AM
 
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The census is counting them, they're not being used to determine how many congressional reps the state gets.
A judge: So, you are saying that many undocumented residents don't respond to the census, but you want to reduce the number of people in the district by the number of undocumented residents which is a number you have to estimate, and if any undocumented residents did respond, then that just screws up your estimates even further???? Just count the number of people in a district. That's all you're asked to do.
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