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Old 07-22-2020, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Texas
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First off, the OP is posting a lie.

Second, you are repeating it.

It is not about counting, its about allocating seats in the House of Representatives. And whether illegals get considered is an open question.
No it isn't.

The Constitution says, "count every person."
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And its not about people who have lost or forged documents. Its about whether illegal aliens should determine how congressional seats are allocated. As it has typically been done, citizens in border counties in Arizona may have nearly double the representation of a citizen in Iowa.
Maybe corporate America should stop importing illegal labor by the millions.

Since those communities that have these illegals in their midst ARE American communities, their representation and federal funding should reflect that burden.

You know, those employers paying their illegal labor chicken feed depend on taxpayer benefits like food stamps, public housing and emergency room medical care to pad their profits at the public's expense.

Just to point out the obvious.

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Old 07-22-2020, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Texas
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And the Constitution told us who those persons are.
You're not fooling anyone.

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Old 07-22-2020, 08:44 AM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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Do you see illegal aliens mentioned in that section? Nope.
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Old 07-22-2020, 08:45 AM
 
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To assign number of representatives for each state.
Why should those who are living here illegally, not allowed to be here, have congressional representation in our country. They are not legally allowed to vote.
The US Constitution does not apportion Congressional seats by the number of eligible voters. Bear in mind, minors and immigrants with permanent resident status also aren’t “legally allowed to vote” and they are counted purposes of apportionment per the US Constitution. The Constitution simply directs the Census to count “whole persons”, no modifiers. Please read the document for your own education.
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Old 07-22-2020, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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The 2020 Decennial Census is designed to count every person living in the U.S., and many of the design decisions were made a few years back. A super-simplified explanation of its design is to build a database of potential addresses, eliciting responses from those addresses either through self reporting or over-the-phone or in-person interviews, and checking the reliability of the responses.

It's fair enough if you want only citizens and perhaps legal permanent residents to be counted. However, they simply aren't going to be able to redesign it to build a comprehensive and reliable dataset after the Decennial is already underway. As far as I'm aware, the Census Bureau doesn't even have a database of citizens or legal permanent residents and the law ensures the privacy of individual responses from other use by the Federal government, so another agency couldn't even mine the data to build a count of only citizens. You'd have to fight for changes in law/design for the 2030 Decennial Census and/or how the data from the Census is used for decision-making.

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Old 07-22-2020, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Do you see illegal aliens mentioned in that section? Nope.
Point out where they're excluded.

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Old 07-22-2020, 09:11 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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Sorry, but Americans shouldn't have to pay for the care and feeding of illegal aliens or support the lawless politicians who diminish our national sovereignty.
I agree with you, but so what? There are other means of addressing that issue besides breaking the Constitution.
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Old 07-22-2020, 09:16 AM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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Point out where they're excluded.

oy
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Old 07-22-2020, 09:18 AM
 
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What is wrong with that man. The census is to count people.
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Exactly, ALL of the people in the country are counted, that is what the constitution specifies. The intent is and always has been to appraise how many people reside within the borders. Further, congressional seats are apportioned by the number of people in the country, not by the number of adult males, nor by voting citizens nor by any other qualifier, that is how it has always been.

If Trump wants to suggest a Constitutional Amendment, he is free to do so. There is a process in place.
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Old 07-22-2020, 09:19 AM
 
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What is wrong with that man. The census is to count people.

President Donald Trump signed a memorandum Tuesday claiming that undocumented migrants should not be counted in the census for purposes of deciding how many members of Congress are apportioned to each state – though the practical impact of the president's expected move is uncertain at best.

"Respect for the law and protection of the integrity of the democratic process warrant the exclusion of illegal aliens from the apportionment base, to the extent feasible and to the maximum extent of the President's discretion under the law," Trump said in the brief document.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-tel...161353555.html
I agree, we should know exactly how many illegals are in this country.
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