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Old 07-23-2020, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Eastern N.C.
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1. Buy local
2. Buy Made in USA
3. Buy anywhere else than China
4. Buy China

It is sometimes like a scavenger hunt and if you have the time can be fun.

THEY ARE NOT OUR or the world's FRIEND OR ALLY. Their crimes against their people, their bigotry, their goals of world domination should not be supported at all.

Sometimes it can't be avoided but if everyone tried and bought less CCC (Cheap Chinese Crap), we could get them to understand.
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Old 07-23-2020, 07:47 AM
 
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Indeed- Bill Clinton did more damage to us than any foreign power.

The Chinese military advanced 30 years in technology through Clinton donors shunting hardware and technology and the shift of manufacturing has gutted the middle class and made China a goliath.

It is funny, but dems never acknowledge or accept all the damage Clinton did to the US and his role in creating what is the Chinese threat we face.

This is why we should not have grifters, like the Clintons, Biden, and Obama, in the White House, as they will sell anything that is not nailed down for personal gain.
Absolutely. The immense corruption during the Clinton admin is responsible for what we, and other countries are enduring now.
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Old 07-23-2020, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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I remember an analysis of cars. People thought they were being patriotic by buying "American" cars but a lot of the "foreign" cars had a higher percentage of their parts manufactured in the US.
The Jeep Cherokee is 72% domestic, making it the most American vehicle you can own. The Ford F-150 comes in at 65%. Not all of the foreign parts are Chinese, but you can bet as many of them are as can be bought and shipped economically.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...rs/1545074001/

I was a manager at a steel company before I retired, and regularly competed with everyone in the market when I quoted component parts. Caterpillar was one of the ones I was never able to get. The Chinese were quoting delivered components cheaper than I could buy the raw material.

The other side is, when the parts arrived, if there were any problems with them, it took two or three months for the vendor to correct the problem with replacements, which was a major problem with the just-in-time deliveries Caterpillar wanted. We bailed them out a number of times, at a fat profit. The cost of poker goes up when you are holding all the aces.
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Old 07-23-2020, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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That it's all because of Clinton is pure BS, plain & simple.
No, but it wasn't really corporations, it was private equity and global finance along with government policy makers.

They had a grand vision to turn America into a service economy, which ironically destroyed small communities and local producers all across the country.

Jimmy Carter, Reagan, and Bush all played their part.

But PNTR and Chinese entrance to the WTO along with new NAFTA policy where the nail in the coffin.

Now we don't even have the industrial skill to make things even if we wanted to. China first monopolized the raw earth market, and used it to transport all technical skill into its country.

Its a joke that has hurt is in more ways than one, and people cheered at all the cheap garbage they were getting from this deal.

I remember Clinton, he said we'd make the Chinese computers and they'd make us plastic toys. Republicans are to blame as well.

All community wealth is gone held up now with financial transactions and marketing schemes. But if the Chinese want to freeze our economy they can do it whenever they want.
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Old 07-23-2020, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Everyone will buy made in China, our computers, electronics, medical equipment, packaging, and cloths are somehow sourced from China.

All because Bill Clinton said we'd sell the Chinese computers and they'd sell us plastic toys.

We are doomed, and Americans gleeful jumped on board.
Best to go back and recheck your history.


The Nixon Admin developed the strategy to reopen trade with China in 1972.

The Reagan Admin granted conditional normal trade relations with China in 1982 subject to annual renewal. Reagan visits China in 1984 and agrees to begin to sell military equipment to China.

Normal trade relations were negotiated and approved each year thereafter.

Relations were made permanent in 2000, following an ACT of CONGRESS. Republicans controlled both the House and Senate. Clinton signed it.

Pelosi voted no.
McConnell voted yea.
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Old 07-23-2020, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Best to go back and recheck your history.


The Nixon Admin developed the strategy to reopen trade with China in 1972.

The Reagan Admin granted conditional normal trade relations with China in 1982 subject to annual renewal. Reagan visits China in 1984 and agrees to begin to sell military equipment to China.

Normal trade relations were negotiated and approved each year thereafter.

Relations were made permanent in 2000, following an ACT of CONGRESS. Republicans controlled both the House and Senate. Clinton signed it.

Pelosi voted no.
McConnell voted yea.
I know all that, read my other posts. Financialization of our industry is also to blame, which started under Carter.

One private equity was making decisions, they looked to offshore costs which let China monopolize the rare earth material market, which then let them localized all industrial skill and design within its country. Our communities and technical skill were all gone so the 'superior' service economy could grow.

The joke is that only after 2001 was when the change supercharged, which was under the Clinton administration. Republicans supported PNTR and NAFTA as well, but it was Clinton that said we'd be selling them computers and they'd sell us plastic toys.

I'll never forget him saying that, he was incredibly glib.

Look at industrial design from 2001 onward. (Note, a lot of the 'design' by engineers in America is modified at factories in China since only producers know the specifics of how to get parts operating perfectly).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdzXFFpO4oc
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Old 07-23-2020, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Absolutely. The immense corruption during the Clinton admin is responsible for what we, and other countries are enduring now.
Restoration of normal trade relations with China happened early on in the Reagan Admin. It was resuthirized annually until it was made permanent in 2000.

NAFTA was drafted by the Reagan Admin and signed by Bush, subject to approval by Congress.

Both NAFTA and permanent restoration of normal trade relations China were legislations passed by Republican majority House and Senate with bipartisan support.
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Old 07-23-2020, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Flyover part of Virginia
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Lol, without access to cheap Chinese junk, America's service sector bubble economy would implode.
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Old 07-23-2020, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Restoration of normal trade relations with China happened early on in the Reagan Admin. It was resuthirized annually until it was made permanent in 2000.

NAFTA was drafted by the Reagan Admin and signed by Bush, subject to approval by Congress.

Both NAFTA and permanent restoration of normal trade relations China were legislations passed by Republican majority House and Senate with bipartisan support.
True. Bill Clinton was at the head of the globalize movement in the 1990s.

However free market conservatives gleeful destroyed small communities and craftskills across the country for the derivative/stock market.

Honestly I don't see how these people can call themselves conservatives. Conservatism is about preserving social structures, not obliterating them for Chinese monopolies.

Its a sad joke, conservatism is broken.
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Old 07-23-2020, 08:11 AM
 
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Really, listen to what Tim Cook, CEO of Apple said.
https://www.inc.com/glenn-leibowitz/...you-think.html

"The products we do require really advanced tooling, and the precision that you have to have, the tooling and working with the materials that we do are state of the art. And the tooling skill is very deep here. In the U.S., you could have a meeting of tooling engineers and I'm not sure we could fill the room. In China, you could fill multiple football fields."

Our policy makers destroyed the America's industrial capacity and made our corporations wholly dependent on the Chinese logistics train.

In 1970 we could make transistors, rocket technology, small mechanical parts, etc. Now most of that knowledge is gone.

Financial speculators and policy globalists destroyed all our big industries and turned the remaining companies into glorified speculators who hold stock in Chinese manufacturing. Even our design process is a glorified parts order scheme.

The engineers in China modify everything we design to actual work because our country has been drained of craft skills and local supply chains.

All in the name of globalism. Corporations jumped on board, but it was financial speculators/private equity, along with government globalists who created this future.

And all because we would now become an 'advanced' service economy. What a joke.
This is the truth. America is so dumbed down we will have to start all over.
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