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Old 07-28-2020, 01:23 PM
 
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If you guys are right about the level of danger of the virus, lets close all grocery stores, and all merchandise stores? Let's close all businesses? So I wont get infected, you wont get infected and nobody gets infected, problem solved. By your logic on the dangers of reopening, we would all be dead by now.
If everybody wears a mask and socially distances it will go a long way toward mitigating the effects of this virus. We've not done that.
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Old 07-28-2020, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Yes, I know. I used the 7 day average just to avoid anybody dismissing it as a random spike.

Yesterday, TX saw about 200 , the highest ever.
That's horrible. Now, what do you think about NY, where deaths were over 1000 per day? DURING the lockdown.
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Old 07-28-2020, 02:34 PM
 
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Its not that we opened too soon, its that we "opened" without proper usage of masks and social distancing, and mass mobs of "protests" certainly is not helping either
I can't speak for every area of the U.S. but in my area when businesses started re-opening on a limited basis we were all required to wear masks to enter them with social distancing tapes on the floor 6 ft. apart.
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Old 07-28-2020, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Texas
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https://www.economist.com/united-sta...mic-in-america

If we all were a little more patient.....hold off that haircut and the urge to eat at Denny’s for one more month, we would of been in a far better position today.
We're testing more. That's it. That's the reason. Plus the bar was lowered to allow more people to be counted as far as having it.

It's the same reason the death rate is now lower than the flu. More people are being tested. Specifically more, "less at risk people" which is driving down the numbers.
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Old 07-28-2020, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Miami.
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If everybody wears a mask and socially distances it will go a long way toward mitigating the effects of this virus. We've not done that.
All businesses regardless of the laws and because of the laws, require employees and customers to wear masks and social distance, millions of American workers are working safely under these conditions. The only thing we can do and are doing.
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Old 07-28-2020, 03:39 PM
 
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All businesses regardless of the laws and because of the laws, require employees and customers to wear masks and social distance, millions of American workers are working safely under these conditions. The only thing we can do and are doing.
I'm hearing from from friends working and shopping in stores like Walmart, Home Depot, etc. who are saying people are ignoring those rules. I myself have encountered the same thing. Our Dollar General stores require masks. I'm usually the only one wearing one. So we are not all doing what we can be doing. If you are, kudos. Many more are not. Evidently there is no enforcement, so people are thumbing their noses at the laws.
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Old 07-28-2020, 03:40 PM
 
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We're testing more. That's it. That's the reason. Plus the bar was lowered to allow more people to be counted as far as having it.

It's the same reason the death rate is now lower than the flu. More people are being tested. Specifically more, "less at risk people" which is driving down the numbers.
It's not just the number of tests, but the number of positive results that have increased.
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Old 07-28-2020, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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That's horrible. Now, what do you think about NY, where deaths were over 1000 per day? DURING the lockdown.
The lockdown actually kept deaths down largely because those infected kept the virus at home and didn't spread it at work or at some store or restaurant. Had there been no lockdown, New York hospitals would have been entirely overrun. Remember, DeBlasio also at first wanted kids at school. He relented when too many teachers planed an organized call out.

That said I cannot trust you on being fair, balanced and unbiased on New York. You continually post lies and at best half truths about the city. You said well into last month to not to go to the Northeast corridor despite the fact the Sunbelt was getting bad and becoming hot spots.
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Old 07-28-2020, 04:15 PM
 
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The lockdown actually kept deaths down largely because those infected kept the virus at home and didn't spread it at work or at some store or restaurant. Had there been no lockdown, New York hospitals would have been entirely overrun. Remember, DeBlasio also at first wanted kids at school. He relented when too many teachers planed an organized call out.
I worry about schools opening. I think they will, and will have to re-close.
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Old 07-28-2020, 04:21 PM
 
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That's horrible. Now, what do you think about NY, where deaths were over 1000 per day? DURING the lockdown.
I already replied on another thread:


1. Death per infection ratio nowadays is much lower compared to that of the early days of the outbreak due to medical advances and better patient management (and that has nothing to do with any governor). Generally much more is known now, compared to March/April (when NYC was hit). Additionally there was time to prepare.

2. NY and TX (or FL) are at completely different time points on their respective curves.

3. The virus replacement number was humongous in NYC at the start (overcrowded public transportation, density, etc.). So, actually the total size of epidemic is still larger in NY (the percentage of people infected so far). Deaths are percentage of that.

4. Deaths lag infections. By a lot.
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