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Old 07-24-2020, 08:09 PM
 
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if you really care that much--start a petition or something.
I care more about the truth. When posters like lvmensch start denying historical facts and science I insist on the truth from these history or science deniers.
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Old 07-25-2020, 09:38 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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This is one of the most ridiculous things I've heard. Should the city of York be renamed because some bloke became a Duke of the place? There have been loads of 'Dukes if York' have they all been racists!?? Who knows! What about renaming all the cities in the Southern States of the US because 'racists' used to be mayor's or sheriff's of them? Just plain daft! New York is named after York, York is a city not a bloke. I get the impression that the writer of that piece didn't even know there was a city of York!
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Old 07-25-2020, 11:14 AM
 
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People used to be referred to by their titles. Thus calling the Duke of York by the shortened York would not have been uncommon. That is why they named the city York instead of James.
All very logical until you remember it was New York. If we go along with the cockamamie idea that it was named for a person, the qualifier implies the existence of an old York. So - who was that?
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Old 07-25-2020, 12:26 PM
 
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All very logical until you remember it was New York. If we go along with the cockamamie idea that it was named for a person, the qualifier implies the existence of an old York. So - who was that?
I have provided 4 different links that all say it was named after the person who:

1, helped capture it for Britain.

2, was given sole possession over it, he literally owned all of the colony.

3, went by his title, the Duke of York (until he became King).

That person is James II who went by the Duke of York.

All posters like lvmensch has provided is emotional denials of historical facts.


If you are cool with towns being named Columbus or New York after slave traders that is your right. You aren't entitled to make up and deny facts.
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Old 07-25-2020, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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I have provided 4 different links that all say it was named after the person who:

1, helped capture it for Britain.

2, was given sole possession over it, he literally owned all of the colony.

3, went by his title, the Duke of York (until he became King).

That person is James II who went by the Duke of York.

All posters like lvmensch has provided is emotional denials of historical facts.


If you are cool with towns being named Columbus or New York after slave traders that is your right. You aren't entitled to make up and deny facts.
It is NEW York. As opposed to York or Old York. That references the place not the person. And yes it was named after York to honor the Duke of York. So what? It is still named after the old place not the guy.
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Old 07-25-2020, 12:41 PM
 
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It is NEW York. As opposed to York or Old York. That references the place not the person. And yes it was named after York to honor the Duke of York. So what? It is still named after the old place not the guy.
You are a history fact denier. Do you deny science too?

I have provided 4 historical links.

His title was the Duke of York.

Everyone knew him as the Duke of York.

People in colonial New York knew it was named after him and knew that he owned it up until he became King.


All you have provided is a highly emotional and illogical argument about you being born there and an argument that doesn't comprehend titles.




Is this because you accept cancel culture, but not when it strikes close to home?
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Old 07-25-2020, 12:51 PM
 
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I'd still like to know who old York was?
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Old 07-25-2020, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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You are a history fact denier. Do you deny science too?

I have provided 4 historical links.

His title was the Duke of York.

Everyone knew him as the Duke of York.

People in colonial New York knew it was named after him and knew that he owned it up until he became King.


All you have provided is a highly emotional and illogical argument about you being born there and an argument that doesn't comprehend titles.




Is this because you accept cancel culture, but not when it strikes close to home?
It must be sad for you to go through life so out of touch with the rational.

The place is NEW York. Not York or Jamestown. It was simply named after the old place.

And it was in honor of the Duke of York. So what.

And it so sad that elementary logic is out of the reach of some on here.
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Old 07-25-2020, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Next up: Rename the America’s, Vespucci was a racist.
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Old 07-25-2020, 01:06 PM
 
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And it was in honor of the Duke of York.
Such a simple distinction, yet so out of reach for so many.
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