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Old 07-25-2020, 06:42 AM
 
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That is simply not true. You can find 3rd world countries with similar death rates or even better?

I am also tired of hearing "what if"... we are 6 months into this... no more "what if" we know the answers.
They may be 3rd world countries, but they kept this thing contained right away. India didn't just magically have a low death rate. They forced everyone to stay home.

You sound like 3rd world countries have no government at all.

Edit.

You're also forgetting that everything is a lot more expensive here in the US. Drug prices are artificially inflated here.

Just go across the border north of here or south of here and you will find that everything is much cheaper. So, even third world countries have been able to artificially keep the death rate low. Coupled with their harsh containment methods.

 
Old 07-25-2020, 06:44 AM
 
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If left unchecked, the rate of infection and number of infection could go far beyond what our resources can handle. Then the death rate will dramatically increase due to the system being overwhelmed.
zero of that is true. Just utter speculation.

You believe what you want not the facts.

The facts are there aren't many people left to be infected... studies showing 80Xs the rate of infection is out there.

For months now the masks have been off and the level of deaths has been low.

Hospitals are furloughing staff, if it was the nightmare you claim, it would be all hands on deck.
 
Old 07-25-2020, 06:44 AM
 
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It’s emotionally painful for people to admit the lockdown was/is an overreaction. It’s fine to be cautious, especially if you’re not sure what’s going on, but it’s been close to half a year already and none of the doomsday predictions have played out. It’s always “Just wait two weeks...you’ll see.”
We wouldn't need lockdowns if anti mask nutjobs did the right thing
 
Old 07-25-2020, 06:46 AM
 
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We wouldn't need lockdowns if anti mask nutjobs did the right thing
And again, not true.

From the 'fact" that the covid test isn't accurate and many people who get negatives are infected, to the fact that masks simply are not 100% effective, this is out there and we currently have no good way to control it.

But even if we did, to the OPs original point... THIS IS NOT A DEADLY VIRUS ANYMORE THAN THE FLU.
 
Old 07-25-2020, 06:46 AM
 
Location: In the desert
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zero of that is true. Just utter speculation.

You believe what you want not the facts.

The facts are there aren't many people left to be infected... studies showing 80Xs the rate of infection is out there.

For months now the masks have been off and the level of deaths has been low.

Hospitals are furloughing staff, if it was the nightmare you claim, it would be all hands on deck.
Have you even seen some of the hospitals in Texas or parts of Florida?
 
Old 07-25-2020, 06:46 AM
 
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We wouldn't need lockdowns if anti mask nutjobs did the right thing
Without these nutjobs, we would have gotten this thing contained months ago.

I really don't get what the big deal is. Just wear a freaking mask.
 
Old 07-25-2020, 06:51 AM
 
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Hospitals are furloughing staff, if it was the nightmare you claim, it would be all hands on deck.
I actually know people who work in the hospitals. I know a lot of people who work in the healthcare industry, actually.

Hospitals aren't furloughing staff because they don't need them. They are furloughing staff that they don't need to deal with this virus so they can keep those who are needed to deal with this thing longer. Why? Surprise surprise hospitals don't have unlimited resources.

So, people like secretaries and dieticians are getting less hours. Some nurses, too, who aren't dealing with the ICUs directly.

You're acting like everybody who works in the hospital does the exact same job as everyone else. It's like saying all your organs pump blood around your body. This is simply not true at all.
 
Old 07-25-2020, 06:52 AM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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This many have recovered due to our modern medical resources. And our modern medical resources are still effective because the rate of infection and the total of infection are still within what our resources can handle.

If left unchecked, the rate of infection and number of infection could go far beyond what our resources can handle. Then the death rate will dramatically increase due to the system being overwhelmed.

Here is an analogy. You go skydiving. The parachute keeps you from plunging to your death. After you've landed, you start telling people that gravity isn't such a big deal. After all, you survived falling from the sky, literally. Nevermind the fact that the parachute was artificially keeping you alive.

Now, let's suppose that there are more people skydiving than there are the number of parachutes available. Those who survives the fall due to having a parachute will say it's no big deal. What about all the people who didn't get a parachute because the number of skydivers heavily outnumber the number of parachutes available? Then what?
Do you think the plan should be to wait it out until a vaccine is created? Based on the statistics and weighing the costs of lockdown vs the virus so far, I just don’t see how a lockdown is justified. Seems to me that most people will show little to no symptoms and should be out there developing an immunity so this thing can get over with faster...those at higher risk can continue taking precautions.
 
Old 07-25-2020, 06:53 AM
 
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I actually know people who work in the hospitals.
Classic "I Know people" pfff as if that means anything at all..
 
Old 07-25-2020, 06:55 AM
 
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It’s emotionally painful for people to admit the lockdown was/is an overreaction. It’s fine to be cautious, especially if you’re not sure what’s going on, but it’s been close to half a year already and none of the doomsday predictions have played out. It’s always “Just wait two weeks...you’ll see.”
It's incredibly painful for most people to admit that they were taken and duped.

It's mentally and emotionally easier to keep playing along... no thought involved.
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