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Liberals: “Don’t discriminate against an entire demographic off a few bad apples, looters, arsonists, and rioters. The majority are peaceful protestors.”
Also Liberals: “All cops are pigs! Defund the police! Silence is compliance!”
1. Why is it so terrible when a police officer acts with excessive force yet we have seen rioters kill people, including at least one child, start fires, assault people and have zero consideration for the safety of others or the consequences of their violent actions? If cops are being called out for excessive and careless force, why aren't the rioters and the people calling for change holding THEMSELVES to the standards they would like to see of the police?
2. Why is it a bad thing to stereotype an entire group based on the actions of a few bad apples? Like for example, it's wrong to look at TV footage of black people looting and assume that all black people are criminals yet we have A.C.A.B. (All Cops Are Bad) as one of the major slogans of BLM and this protest movement. How do you defend stereotyping an entire group based on the actions of a few in this case?
3. Why is it so terrible when federal troops get called into to attempt to restore law and order but you did not protest nearly as loudly (or at all) when we have had week after week of burning cities, illegal autonomous zones, illegal road and freeway closures, assaults, killings, and general mayhem? Did you think the type of people who riot, burn and kill would just eventually stop on their own? How did you expect it to end?
If you are a person who defends the rioters or you think it's no big deal or just some right wing exaggeration, I'd love to see you honestly answer the three questions above.
All of things I mentioned are FACTS and are not in dispute.
Fact #1 :The rioters have acted without any concern whatsoever for the safety of innocents.
Fact #2 :A.C.A.B is a thing.
Fact #3 :We've had (and have) endless weeks of riots, violence and destruction with no end in sight.
Have at it
1) Cops are held to higher standards than a mob. Mobs aren't generally regarded highly. While there's bad cops, I think a lot more of them than I do of mobs as a whole. Obviously some people such as yourself don't but many of us do.
2) I don't.
3) It's fine if they're called in. It's not fine when they just show up uninvited. There's things like jurisdiction. We're not living in the United State of Trump's Goons, last I checked. So yes, I have issues when he sends the goon squad. Where I live we had the National Guard deployed. No problem with it, but then they didn't just show up uninvited either.
1) Cops are held to higher standards than a mob. Mobs aren't generally regarded highly. While there's bad cops, I think a lot more of them than I do of mobs as a whole. Obviously some people such as yourself don't but many of us do.
2) I don't.
3) It's fine if they're called in. It's not fine when they just show up uninvited. There's things like jurisdiction. We're not living in the United State of Trumps Goons, last I checked. So yes, I have issues when he sends the goon squad.
The fact that you call federal police officers, performing their sworn duties under the orders of their superiors, "the goon squad," tells me that you don't think as highly of the police (at least not the ones under the direct authority of the President) as maybe you think you do.
The fact that you call federal police officers, performing their sworn duties under the orders of their superiors, "the goon squad," tells me that you don't think as highly of the police (at least not the ones under the direct authority of the President) as maybe you think you do.
It can mean whatever it wants to mean to you. Some people are capable of differentiating individuals versus an organization. They had a job to do and did it. Nothing against the individual goons of the squad. When you join a military or paramilitary organization, you don't get to choose your assignment. Same for Iraq. I detested it. That's nothing against a combat vet who served in Iraq though.
People need to learn the difference between protesters and rioters. OP generally is asking about "rioters" and most of the supporting thread comments or threads are for "protesters". Learn to make that distinction if you are supporting or condemning people or their actions. The rioters are opportunists taking advantage of a chaotic environment sometimes hours after a protest is over. Passions run high and a peaceful protest can become violent by the actions of extremists, police or, as seen in some cases, right-wing agitators intent on escalating the chaos. Police officers in my city had an apparent informal and inappropriate relationship with a local armed militia. Police have a history of abuse, excessive force, and deprivation of civil rights in many cities in America. The details and episodes differ but there are many cities where the DOJ has had to step in. It is not "a few bad apples" but a pattern of abuse and excess by that time. The "federal troops" we have seen are anything but that. Instead they are reportedly a private anonymous mercenary group (somehow in the pay of DHS) combined with various Border/ICE elements -- none with crowd control or proper experience in urban disturbances. They are unprofessional and are inciting and escalating the level of violence. No responsible person is supportive of the rioting and looting or arson that we have seen over the last few weeks but police abuse and excessive force has been going on for decades with little national attention. George Floyd's mistreatment and death brought it into the public awareness like never before and the protesters will not allow it to be pushed back into the shadows.
If the locals want Feds to leave, all they have to do is get the rioters to stop attacking federal property.
That's the only place that the Feds have jurisdiction.
But they don't really want them to leave.
That's why they've been targeting federal property....
To provoke a federal response, so they can feign more outrage about Trump sending in his "Gestapo Stormtroopers".
The Feds are the ones causing issues here. Thats the thing. And you have some wild notion that the feds don't have jurisdiction? Look at WHICH feds these are. specifically border patrol agents whose law enforcement covers 2/3 of the continental us. They absolutely are not restricted in any way.
But yeah your whole "im going to keep punching you until you stop resisting"....when you are ignoring the fact that the violent people there are often in the vast minority. Everyone else is there trying to exercise their first amendment. And getting injured when they are unarmed and not resisting. They are 100% innocent, and should not be stopped. Everyone in a protest should not be punished by the bad acts of the few. And there are ways to specifically target those few and arrest them. And maybe if these guys had actually any decent riot control training maybe things would be different.
So now Trump is sending more of these folks in. Because the 114 here need re-inforcements after protest sizes grew massively. And now we wait and see how Portland responds to this escalation. And this sort of thing demonstrates a incredibly inept leadership. This can go badly, and random chance, or a outside agitator could make this go really bad.
The Feds are the ones causing issues here. Thats the thing. And you have some wild notion that the feds don't have jurisdiction? Look at WHICH feds these are. specifically border patrol agents whose law enforcement covers 2/3 of the continental us. They absolutely are not restricted in any way.
But yeah your whole "im going to keep punching you until you stop resisting"....when you are ignoring the fact that the violent people there are often in the vast minority. Everyone else is there trying to exercise their first amendment. And getting injured when they are unarmed and not resisting. They are 100% innocent, and should not be stopped. Everyone in a protest should not be punished by the bad acts of the few. And there are ways to specifically target those few and arrest them. And maybe if these guys had actually any decent riot control training maybe things would be different.
So now Trump is sending more of these folks in. Because the 114 here need re-inforcements after protest sizes grew massively. And now we wait and see how Portland responds to this escalation. And this sort of thing demonstrates a incredibly inept leadership. This can go badly, and random chance, or a outside agitator could make this go really bad.
You have no 1st amendment right to riot.
And the Federal police wouldn't be there at all if it weren't for the rioters attacking Federal property.
You can spin those two facts all you want, but they don't stop being facts.
Aside from that, the rest of the protests, peaceful or not, fall under "just because you can, doesn't mean that you should".
The protests have lost any valid message that they once had because you let the inmates take over the asylum.
The rioters may or may not be in the minority, many think that some of the people "peacefully protesting" during the day are also rioters at night......
Kind of hard to tell when everyone's conveniently wearing face coverings.
At this point, the protests exist only to perpetuate themselves and to help give cover to the violence and destruction of the rioters.
And the Federal police wouldn't be there at all if it weren't for the rioters attacking Federal property.
You can spin those two facts all you want, but they don't stop being facts.
Aside from that, the rest of the protests, peaceful or not, fall under "just because you can, doesn't mean that you should".
The protests have lost any valid message that they once had because you let the inmates take over the asylum.
The rioters may or may not be in the minority, many think that some of the people "peacefully protesting" during the day are also rioters at night......
Kind of hard to tell when everyone's conveniently wearing face coverings.
At this point, the protests exist only to perpetuate themselves and to help give cover to the violence and destruction of the rioters.
Exactly. And the gullible, or ignorant people don't see that.
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