End of an era: Intel looks to offshore US chip manufacturing (Israeli, legal)
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We were once dominant in semiconductor industry, Intel was the last holdout, now they are gone.
Tax credits won't fix anything, when you allow private equity to liquidize your country's technical and industrial capacity while focusing on consumer end margins, you leave yourself with no choice but to empty out all production and rely on service sector buffoonery to centralize enough capital to keep consumer spending inflated.
We are done and gone.
The article says, "If Intel outsources this work, it would likely be done by Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co., which focuses on production and is currently the world leader. It’s based in Hsinchu, one of the closest Taiwanese cities to China, which considers the Asian island a rogue province rather than an independent country."
However, a $12 billion advanced chip factory in Phoenix is to be built by industry giant Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. and construction is planned to start in 2021. This was announced back in May.
The article says, "If Intel outsources this work, it would likely be done by Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co., which focuses on production and is currently the world leader. It’s based in Hsinchu, one of the closest Taiwanese cities to China, which considers the Asian island a rogue province rather than an independent country."
However, a $12 billion advanced chip factory in Phoenix is to be built by industry giant Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. and construction is planned to start in 2021. This was announced back in May.
We were once dominant in semiconductor industry, Intel was the last holdout, now they are gone.
Tax credits won't fix anything, when you allow private equity to liquidize your country's technical and industrial capacity while focusing on consumer end margins, you leave yourself with no choice but to empty out all production and rely on service sector buffoonery to centralize enough capital to keep consumer spending inflated.
We are done and gone.
Would you rather Intel dies a slow death and disappears, ending a storied American company; or... would you rather Intel strives and reclaim its position as a leading chip setter for the rest of the world??
Because this is what this moves is all about... Intel's survival. They absolutely have to outsource their chip making for the 7nm because they cannot built one themselves that can compete with other chip makers. They have to do it or else they die.
Now, is it an end of an era? Probably. Is it bad for America? Not really.
The high-paying designers and engineers are still going to be around in Silicon Valley, it's only the manufacturing that is outsourced. If Intel returns to its former glory, they will continue to create jobs and helps the US economy booms. Capitalism is not a zero sum game. If TSMC can help Intel get back on its feet, it's a win win.
Speaking of TSMC, they bring jobs to the US too! I used to date a girl who works for TSMC in Silicon Valley. They like to pry hot young flight attendants away from the industry and put them in sales. So again, it's not a zero sum game - when TSMC get bigger, they will bring more jobs here.
Furthermore, the thing about TSMC and all Taiwanese businesses is that they are often open to moving part of their process to a foreign country - because there is the fear that China may one day invade and take their businesses. So they have an incentive to diversify their business away from the island. They are going to open a plant in Arizona as the poster above said.
The article says, "If Intel outsources this work, it would likely be done by Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co., which focuses on production and is currently the world leader. It’s based in Hsinchu, one of the closest Taiwanese cities to China, which considers the Asian island a rogue province rather than an independent country."
However, a $12 billion advanced chip factory in Phoenix is to be built by industry giant Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. and construction is planned to start in 2021. This was announced back in May.
Sort of. Built for TSMC by Arizona taxpayers might be a more accurate statement. The details aren't public but TSMC clearly wants more than the normal corporate welfare package and is seeking for the Arizona taxpayer to, most likely, not only pay for all of the capital costs but they've been quite public about the viability hinging upon state and federal welfare to subsidize operating costs.
Sort of an odd choice though, to be honest. Taiwan and China is complicated... but if it's a national security issue and we have to have someone other than Huawei making everything, Taiwan wouldn't be my first choice. If they can't find an American company to give the billion of welfare dollars to, then I'd pick Samsung over Foxconn or TSMC. Although if they're really just thinly veiled bribes to Taiwanese companies as a means of leveraging domestic lobbying that benefits the US in a US-China drama, I suppose maybe then that makes sense.
Would you rather Intel dies a slow death and disappears, ending a storied American company; or... would you rather Intel strives and reclaim its position as a leading chip setter for the rest of the world??
Because this is what this moves is all about... Intel's survival. They absolutely have to outsource their chip making for the 7nm because they cannot built one themselves that can compete with other chip makers. They have to do it or else they die.
Now, is it an end of an era? Probably. Is it bad for America? Not really.
The high-paying designers and engineers are still going to be around in Silicon Valley, it's only the manufacturing that is outsourced. If Intel returns to its former glory, they will continue to create jobs and helps the US economy booms. Capitalism is not a zero sum game. If TSMC can help Intel get back on its feet, it's a win win.
Speaking of TSMC, they bring jobs to the US too! I used to date a girl who works for TSMC in Silicon Valley. They like to pry hot young flight attendants away from the industry and put them in sales. So again, it's not a zero sum game - when TSMC get bigger, they will bring more jobs here.
Furthermore, the thing about TSMC and all Taiwanese businesses is that they are often open to moving part of their process to a foreign country - because there is the fear that China may one day invade and take their businesses. So they have an incentive to diversify their business away from the island. They are going to open a plant in Arizona as the poster above said.
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This actually sounds terrible. I mean personally I hate the idea of were your ideal world is leading us.
Consumer economics shouldn't rely on people spending the most money for the cheapest/fastest product to stimulate the stock market.
We should have a less advanced/ more local consumer market that helps promote regional producerism rather than global marketing skills and jobs in finance.
Our service sector economy backed by high debt and financialization is destroying the social fabric of this country. Please contact your ex and ask her if working design/marketing in an overcrowded metro area is a healthy future for America, and ask if it makes people happy.
Intels chip design R&D group is insanely stressful, very short turn around times for truly insanely complex projects. While working there was some of the coolest times, it was also insanely stressful. And I sort of feel like the culture was slipping a bit. Hopefully they will recover from whatever mistakes have occurred.
This actually sounds terrible. I mean personally I hate the idea of were your ideal world is leading us.
Consumer economics shouldn't rely on people spending the most money for the cheapest/fastest product to stimulate the stock market.
We should have a less advanced/ more local consumer market that helps promote regional producerism rather than global marketing skills and jobs in finance.
Our service sector economy backed by high debt and financialization is destroying the social fabric of this country. Please contact your ex and ask her if working design/marketing in an overcrowded metro area is a healthy future for America, and ask if it makes people happy.
AMD's rivalry with Intel over the past 25 years is the reason you aren't spending $2000 on a 1 GHz desktop in 2020.
Intels chip design R&D group is insanely stressful, very short turn around times for truly insanely complex projects. While working there was some of the coolest times, it was also insanely stressful. And I sort of feel like the culture was slipping a bit. Hopefully they will recover from whatever mistakes have occurred.
Hopefully they will not.
The years Intel was a de-facto monopoly, it was basically zero progress, as all they were doing was prying money from the customers for the same old tech with virtually zero advances.
Now AMD took them with a good punch, as Intel deserved it for a long, long time.
So I hope Intel will step down to nowhere, where it rightfully belongs.
Long live AMD!
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