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Mentioned this in a previous topic I made, but I read that in America, you can be a cop in as little as 4 months. Yet in most European countries, it takes 1 1/2 to 2 years to become a cop. Given what they are required to do, especially when using deadly force, why aren't cops in America expected to also go through many years to be a cop?
Why aren't our service member trained for YEARS before being sent into battle?
Why aren't firemen" trained for YEARS before being sent into a fire? And on and on and on!
I don't think you knew much about other countries judicial and penal systems.
Mentioned this in a previous topic I made, but I read that in America, you can be a cop in as little as 4 months. Yet in most European countries, it takes 1 1/2 to 2 years to become a cop. Given what they are required to do, especially when using deadly force, why aren't cops in America expected to also go through many years to be a cop?
I am pretty sure you don't understand the complexity of Law Enforcement in the U.S. There are almost 18,000 different departments, federal, state, county and city agencies.I'd venture to say than an 18 year old could not get hired by any of them and be on the streets alone after 4 months training. In major departments a 4 year degree is pretty much the bare minimum these days, the one exception being someone with many years experience coming out of the military.
In smaller departments, a two year degree is probably acceptable.
But even at that, after completing the police academy, officers do not go directly to the streets alone. They go through on the job training and a probationary, supervised time. With LAPD for example, there is a 6 month police academy (most will already have college degrees), followed by an 18 month probationary period.
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Originally Posted by Speleothem
Going forward, we will no longer get qualified candidates wanting to become cops.
In the current climate, who in their right mind would want to put up with the abuse.
Cities no longer support the police. Every day their jobs, as well as their lives, are on the line.
If the left manages to do away with qualified immunity...game over.
It is scary that because of the last three months of abuse heaped on LEOs we will be seeing departments having to hire less qualified people because there will be far fewer candidates to choose from.
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Originally Posted by Pilot1
The Cops are mostly not the problem. It is the criminals, number one, followed by city leadership.
Mostly. But the police (like every other profession) need to weed out the bad actors. We have some bad police officers, teachers, lawyers and doctors because their peers will fall inline to protect them.
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Going by your response to the OP, this does, in no way account for any poorly trained officers on the street right now. Oddly, this proves my point, the budget for the NYPD is over a billion, and has been for sometime, if what you were saying is true, that budget would have been slashed YEARS ago if liberals are firmly against police training. You're pointing out a proposal right now, right is not what it's always been. Did you not read the OP?
Be real. The NYPD budget wasn't cut by the liberals who run NYC because of the power, influence and money of the NYPD police union.
I’m a retired law enforcement officer, who rejoined another law enforcement agency... Only to resign from that position within the next 190 days. IMHO, it’s no longer worth dealing with people who are anti-police and hate you more than the criminals... Until they become a victim of criminals that they once supported, over the police.
As for increasing training for police officers to several years... Like in Europe... Where in Europe?? Definitely not Germany, France, Poland, Denmark, Norway or Italy... That’s not going to happen in the US for several reasons, with the main reason being that departments can’t find enough highly qualified individuals to volunteer to be cops these days. Most every major Local and State police agencies, on the West Coast, have greatly reduced retirement benefits and offer ZERO medical benefits to cover retired officers. Most people, today, tend to do their 5 years to get “vested” into a TSP/401K plan than leave... And that is the second major reason why departments can’t keep seasoned officers, like back in the day since there are basically ZERO benefits for staying past the 5 year mark. With that being the case, why would any department “train” somebody for say... 3-4 years for them to leave in 1 or 2 years, AFTER being fully trained?? Not very cost effective, especially once you start cutting a police department’s budget.
Plus, all the hatred of the police, in today’s environment... Why would anybody what to be a cop or stay a cop for 20 years? To be honest many will stay the 20+ years, but not like when I first started my career back in the early 90s, when that was the normal goal of most every cop.
Plus, using my location, as an example, if you arrest a person, caught in the act of committing a felony level crime, including a violent felony crime, that same person WILL be released within 24hrs. And more than often, that same person will be rearrested for committing the same type of crime within 24 to 72 hours... AND only to be rereleased within another 24 hours... So why bother risking your life while arresting this person... I mean the poor victim of the unjust and evil American “system.”
I’m a person of color who use to think I was making a difference in my community, but not anymore. The politicians, the media and a large percentage of the American people, have made it crystal clear that “I’m” the real problem. I’ll continue to do my job, within the set legal standards and do it to the best of my ability, until I hang up my gun belt for good.
In the “big picture,” I’m a nobody, but this nobody will be gone within the next 190 days or even sooner if I should have a really bad day.
I just hope that this anti-police BS will blow over soon and that the remaining officers can once again feel like they’re doing something positive, while serving their communities... Before it’s too late and there is no turning back. And to say that today’s police officers are not on the verge of being totally demoralized is a lie, which once this happens, there will be numerous, yet severe, negative long term effects on the many cities across this nation.
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I’m a retired law enforcement officer, who rejoined another law enforcement agency... Only to resign from that position within the next 190 days. IMHO, it’s no longer worth dealing with people who are anti-police and hate you more than the criminals... Until they become a victim of criminals that they once supported, over the police.
As for increasing training for police officers to several years... Like in Europe... Where in Europe?? Definitely not Germany, France, Poland, Denmark, Norway or Italy... That’s not going to happen in the US for several reasons, with the main reason being that departments can’t find enough highly qualified individuals to volunteer to be cops these days. Most every major Local and State police agencies, on the West Coast, have greatly reduced retirement benefits and offer ZERO medical benefits to cover retired officers. Most people, today, tend to do their 5 years to get “vested” into a TSP/401K plan than leave... And that is the second major reason why departments can’t keep seasoned officers, like back in the day since there are basically ZERO benefits for staying past the 5 year mark. With that being the case, why would any department “train” somebody for say... 3-4 years for them to leave in 1 or 2 years, AFTER being fully trained?? Not very cost effective, especially once you start cutting a police department’s budget.
Plus, all the hatred of the police, in today’s environment... Why would anybody what to be a cop or stay a cop for 20 years? To be honest many will stay the 20+ years, but not like when I first started my career back in the early 90s, when that was the normal goal of most every cop.
Plus, using my location, as an example, if you arrest a person, caught in the act of committing a felony level crime, including a violent felony crime, that same person WILL be released within 24hrs. And more than often, that same person will be rearrested for committing the same type of crime within 24 to 72 hours... AND only to be rereleased within another 24 hours... So why bother risking your life while arresting this person... I mean the poor victim of the unjust and evil American “system.”
I’m a person of color who use to think I was making a difference in my community, but not anymore. The politicians, the media and a large percentage of the American people, have made it crystal clear that “I’m” the real problem. I’ll continue to do my job, within the set legal standards and do it to the best of my ability, until I hang up my gun belt for good.
In the “big picture,” I’m a nobody, but this nobody will be gone within the next 190 days or even sooner if I should have a really bad day.
I just hope that this anti-police BS will blow over soon and that the remaining officers can once again feel like they’re doing something positive, while serving their communities... Before it’s too late and there is no turning back. And to say that today’s police officers are not on the verge of being totally demoralized is a lie, which once this happens, there will be numerous, yet severe, negative long term effects on the many cities across this nation.
Whilst training is important, the biggest difference is the law in Europe.
Deadly forces in Europe can only be used where absolutely necessary and all non lethal options must be considered and exhausted before the use of such force.
There is no reasonable belief law which the police in Europe can hide behind and America’s “reasonable belief” standards often violate Europe’s “absolute necessity” standards.
This right to life further extends to all police actions and at times if pursuits are putting the general public in danger then the police control room can stop them, tell the police to pull back and to not engage in a high speed chase through a populated areas.
And how are our troops winning hearts and minds in Iraq?
I guess the whole idea of civilian law enforcement and public safety is lost on you.
Hearts and minds?? That's not the goal at all...submission is the goal....... and as far as public safety The cops job is not to keep you safe that's been proven time and time again......
WASHINGTON, June 27 - The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm, even a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation
Hearts and minds?? That's not the goal at all...submission is the goal....... and as far as public safety The cops job is not to keep you safe that's been proven time and time again......
WASHINGTON, June 27 - The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm, even a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation
I’m a retired law enforcement officer, who rejoined another law enforcement agency... Only to resign from that position within the next 190 days. IMHO, it’s no longer worth dealing with people who are anti-police and hate you more than the criminals... Until they become a victim of criminals that they once supported, over the police.
As for increasing training for police officers to several years... Like in Europe... Where in Europe?? Definitely not Germany, France, Poland, Denmark, Norway or Italy... That’s not going to happen in the US for several reasons, with the main reason being that departments can’t find enough highly qualified individuals to volunteer to be cops these days. Most every major Local and State police agencies, on the West Coast, have greatly reduced retirement benefits and offer ZERO medical benefits to cover retired officers. Most people, today, tend to do their 5 years to get “vested” into a TSP/401K plan than leave... And that is the second major reason why departments can’t keep seasoned officers, like back in the day since there are basically ZERO benefits for staying past the 5 year mark. With that being the case, why would any department “train” somebody for say... 3-4 years for them to leave in 1 or 2 years, AFTER being fully trained?? Not very cost effective, especially once you start cutting a police department’s budget.
Plus, all the hatred of the police, in today’s environment... Why would anybody what to be a cop or stay a cop for 20 years? To be honest many will stay the 20+ years, but not like when I first started my career back in the early 90s, when that was the normal goal of most every cop.
Plus, using my location, as an example, if you arrest a person, caught in the act of committing a felony level crime, including a violent felony crime, that same person WILL be released within 24hrs. And more than often, that same person will be rearrested for committing the same type of crime within 24 to 72 hours... AND only to be rereleased within another 24 hours... So why bother risking your life while arresting this person... I mean the poor victim of the unjust and evil American “system.”
I’m a person of color who use to think I was making a difference in my community, but not anymore. The politicians, the media and a large percentage of the American people, have made it crystal clear that “I’m” the real problem. I’ll continue to do my job, within the set legal standards and do it to the best of my ability, until I hang up my gun belt for good.
In the “big picture,” I’m a nobody, but this nobody will be gone within the next 190 days or even sooner if I should have a really bad day.
I just hope that this anti-police BS will blow over soon and that the remaining officers can once again feel like they’re doing something positive, while serving their communities... Before it’s too late and there is no turning back. And to say that today’s police officers are not on the verge of being totally demoralized is a lie, which once this happens, there will be numerous, yet severe, negative long term effects on the many cities across this nation.
Good post.
I'm left-leaning, and I think there are many control freak cops.
But there are (or, were) many very good police officers. And those officers should be FAR better paid than they are. I can't believe how poorly cops (and firefighters) in the US are paid. Coupled with all the crap you have to deal with, it must be very demoralizing. Can't blame you for deciding to get out.
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The cops job is not to keep you safe that's been proven time and time again......
