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Old 07-29-2020, 10:20 AM
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New York gets lots of travel from Europe. Over 60 million tourists every year. And De Blasio told people to keep going out when covid was known to be there. Then Cuomo sent covid patients to nursing homes. And the extensive public transport made it all worse.
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Old 07-29-2020, 10:25 AM
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You have to remember, when NYC was getting hammered and 1000 people a day were dying, Fauci and the CDC were telling us NOT TO WEAR MASKS. Yes, Cuomo and De Blasio have blood on their hands, but so does Fauci and the CDC.
Masks are not some magical shield.

People died because NY State deliberately sent infected people to nursing homes. Masks had nothing to do with that.
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Old 07-29-2020, 10:32 AM
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NY did an outstanding job dealing with this virus as best they could. They were one of the firsts states along with Washington State to deal with this virus. They had no idea what they were up against.
Do you like making yourself look ridiculous?????

Deaths per million:
worst country in the world: Belgium 859 per million (Italy BTW is 581 per million).

New York State: 1,679 per million
New Jersey: 1,780
Connecticut: 1,237

New York did worse than anyplace on the planet (except maybe China but we don't have real numbers on them). Worst state not in NYC metro area Massachusetts 1,219. Next worst Rhode Island 945.

Cuomo and his department of health should be tried for manslaughter.
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Old 07-29-2020, 12:30 PM
 
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NY has this somewhat under control now. Let's move on to other states who should learn from the leadership. Florida, Arizona and Texas are a mess with this virus. They have no control over it.
The southern states have learned something from the experiences of the liberal northeast states. That is why the death rates in the southern states are much, much lower than what New York experienced.
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Old 07-29-2020, 01:02 PM
 
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Sort of. But of the 24K in NY state - almost 20K of them were New York City.


Land area of Belgium: 12,000 square miles.
Land area of New York City: 300 square miles.



Same situation with NJ, CT - not that NJ and CT have the density of NYC - no - but that the triangle created there

had 3x the population of Belgium ...while Belgium is the size of Maryland.


The death count there was elevated for several reasons, but two mainly are:


1. Population density resulted in a larger number of infections than would have otherwise happened elsewhere. You may say that doesn't matter - but it does. A certain number of folks "elsewhere" might never get sick - and die - because they simply aren't exposed any time soon. No chance, in NYC. Everyone was exposed, all at once.


2. Medical care has steadily improved. Treatments and so on. You have a better chance of living now then you did when NY was in Panic Mode or running low on health care workers. This doesn't improve things for New York - but it does mean that 1250 per million (new york's rate, not sure where 1679 came from...24K / 20 million people = 1200) is not going to be the norm for anywhere else - and so far - it hasn't. It's just not possible anywhere in the USA - and few places on earth - to infect so many people, so fast.



Look at Chicago (area) - basically, 500 dead per million - and they are done. While many new york dead may yet be attributed to nursing homes and so on - the data pretty much says it was happening, no matter what you did or where you put them. Not ALL of them - no - but lots. There is no scenario where, for instance, only 12K died. That was never happening.
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Old 07-29-2020, 01:05 PM
 
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From everything I have researched, it is about how much time is spent indoors. When the north had more cases, it was colder and people were inside. That is when it was better weather in the south and those people were outside. In the summer, it is the opposite. People are outside in the north and inside in the south. From what I am reading, cases will spike again in the north when people flock inside to get away from the cold and will drop again in the south when people come outside from the air conditioning.
Interesting post. I had not thought or heard about that, but it makes sense. Thanks.
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