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Old 08-11-2020, 10:02 PM
 
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First, do you believe in God?

And nowhere in the bibles teachings does it say abuse is acceptable but the idle abuse the taxpayer. The government uses the idle to get people like you to accept and condone abuse of the taxpayer just like the government did in Jesus time.
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Old 08-11-2020, 10:05 PM
 
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Nobody want any crap that you have, so you can obsess over it all you want.

“It is easy to be compassionate with other people’s money.”

— John Atherton
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Old 08-12-2020, 12:32 AM
 
Location: interior Alaska
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Let's say we could wave a magic wand, and starting tomorrow, each and every poor person immediately started obeying every law, abstaining from mind-altering substances, avoiding pregnancies, focusing on eduction, doing what they're told at work if/once they have a job, and not spending more than they earn. How long would it take for no one to be poor anymore?
*crickets*

That's what I thought.
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Old 08-12-2020, 04:39 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Now we have people who don’t pay into the system forcing others to pay for their expenses.
Yep. Modern day slavery.
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Old 08-12-2020, 07:52 AM
 
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*crickets*

That's what I thought.
If you have a magic wand, why don’t you take all the money from the rich and give to the poor? Guess how long the roles will be reversed again?

Within one generation!
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Old 08-12-2020, 07:56 AM
 
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Let's say we could wave a magic wand, and starting tomorrow, each and every poor person immediately started obeying every law, abstaining from mind-altering substances, avoiding pregnancies, focusing on eduction, doing what they're told at work if/once they have a job, and not spending more than they earn. How long would it take for no one to be poor anymore?

(Let's assume for the sake of discussion that they don't starve/freeze/etc. due to the "living within their means" clause, if their means are insufficient for feeding and housing them and their dependents. Let's also temporarily ignore that people have mental and physical issues that make some of these strictures unrealistic as absolutes, and that some of the strictures are potentially contradictory.)
The answer is within one generation.
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Old 08-12-2020, 08:02 AM
 
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I don't want to force anything. I just think most people take it for granted that the United States will always exist. They don't appreciate how difficult it is to hold countries together. If we woke up tomorrow and there was no welfare, the poor wouldn't starve, there would be another French Revolution. And if taxes were voluntary, there would be no government, and society would devolve into tribalism.
If so, that would be a free choice from the people, no?
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Old 08-12-2020, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Let's say we could wave a magic wand, and starting tomorrow, each and every poor person immediately started obeying every law, abstaining from mind-altering substances, avoiding pregnancies, focusing on eduction, doing what they're told at work if/once they have a job, and not spending more than they earn. How long would it take for no one to be poor anymore?

(Let's assume for the sake of discussion that they don't starve/freeze/etc. due to the "living within their means" clause, if their means are insufficient for feeding and housing them and their dependents. Let's also temporarily ignore that people have mental and physical issues that make some of these strictures unrealistic as absolutes, and that some of the strictures are potentially contradictory.)
9 months.

9 mos x 25 days x 9 hours x $10 = $20K.

the Federal poverty level is: $13K for single, $17K for 2, $21K for 3.
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Old 08-12-2020, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime." The problem is the takers don't want to learn how to fish, they want, no, they expect the fish to be given to them and people like you encourage this mentality.
people like me? keep reading the thread.
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Old 08-12-2020, 10:48 AM
 
Location: interior Alaska
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The answer is within one generation.
So you do acknowledge that people who are currently poor could spend their lives doing those things from this moment forward and not escape poverty. Thanks!

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9 months.

9 mos x 25 days x 9 hours x $10 = $20K.

the Federal poverty level is: $13K for single, $17K for 2, $21K for 3.
That's not exactly how wages or the poverty level works, and the official poverty level is obvious nonsense, but let's go with it for the moment. Is there enough employment presently available at $10/hour for every currently unemployed or underemployed person to work 60 hours per week? (We'll pretend they're all hirable for the sake of argument.)

How are they going to work 60 hours per week and also "focus on education," incidentally?
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