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So you do acknowledge that people who are currently poor could spend their lives doing those things from this moment forward and not escape poverty. Thanks!
That's not exactly how wages or the poverty level works, and the official poverty level is obvious nonsense, but let's go with it for the moment. Is there enough employment presently available at $10/hour for every currently unemployed or underemployed person to work 60 hours per week? (We'll pretend they're all hirable for the sake of argument.)
How are they going to work 60 hours per week and also "focus on education," incidentally?
If they don’t do those things, they and their children will NEVER escape poverty.
Besides, plenty of people will move up the ladder faster. I personally got out of poverty within 5 years.
If they don’t do those things, they and their children will NEVER escape poverty.
Yes, but the whole premise of your thread is that there's no reason to have sympathy for poor people, and you've repeatedly stated that remaining poor is a choice. But now you do acknowledge that a person could be actively and correctly seeking to overcome poverty, and not achieve the goal in their lifetime. I'd say that's the sort of scenario anyone who's not a sociopath could sympathize with, a person who strives and yet does not get to enjoy the fruit of their labor.
Also, what children? They're not allowed to have children, remember?
My parents didn't do all of those things and now I'm not poor, so this NEVER thing is clearly overstated.
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Besides, plenty of people will move up the ladder faster. I personally got out of poverty within 5 years.
Sure, but you're making blanket statements that encompass everyone. Therefore if there are any exceptions, you're incorrect.
Yes, but the whole premise of your thread is that there's no reason to have sympathy for poor people, and you've repeatedly stated that remaining poor is a choice. But now you do acknowledge that a person could be actively and correctly seeking to overcome poverty, and not achieve the goal in their lifetime. I'd say that's the sort of scenario anyone who's not a sociopath could sympathize with, a person who strives and yet does not get to enjoy the fruit of their labor.
Also, what children? They're not allowed to have children, remember?
My parents didn't do all of those things and now I'm not poor, so this NEVER thing is clearly overstated.
Sure, but you're making blanket statements that encompass everyone. Therefore if there are any exceptions, you're incorrect.
A generation is 20 years. A lifetime is 80 years.
The children they already have. Nobody is preventing them from having children.
Don’t be asinine. Everybody is making blanket statement including you. For example, just exactly how many people can’t get out of poverty by doing what I have suggested? So far, not even one example has been provided.
If so, that would be a free choice from the people, no?
Yes. And that is what I want. But is that what you want?
"In such condition, there is no place for Industry; because the fruit thereof is uncertain; and consequently no Culture of the Earth; no Navigation, nor use of the commodities that may be imported by Sea; no commodious Building; no Instruments of moving, and removing such things as require much force; no Knowledge of the face of the Earth; no account of Time; no Arts; no Letters; no Society." - Thomas Hobbes
Civilization requires cooperation. Either forced cooperation(slavery) or voluntary cooperation. The best cooperation is always voluntary, but if people don't cooperate voluntarily you must force them, otherwise there can be no civilization.
The question is, how do you get people to cooperate voluntarily?
Whether the poor deserve your sympathy or not, it is probably better that you throw them a few dollars than for them to murder you in your sleep. The interesting thing about our system is that it makes the poor think they're getting a good deal, and that the rich are somehow getting hosed. It is actually the opposite, but it is so complex that very few people understand why.
"In such condition, there is no place for Industry; because the fruit thereof is uncertain; and consequently no Culture of the Earth; no Navigation, nor use of the commodities that may be imported by Sea; no commodious Building; no Instruments of moving, and removing such things as require much force; no Knowledge of the face of the Earth; no account of Time; no Arts; no Letters; no Society." - Thomas Hobbes
Civilization requires cooperation. Either forced cooperation(slavery) or voluntary cooperation. The best cooperation is always voluntary, but if people don't cooperate voluntarily you must force them, otherwise there can be no civilization.
The question is, how do you get people to cooperate voluntarily?
Whether the poor deserve your sympathy or not, it is probably better that you throw them a few dollars than for them to murder you in your sleep.
The interesting thing about our system is, it makes the poor think they're getting a good deal, and that the rich are somehow getting hosed. It is actually the opposite, but it is so complex that very few people understand why.
My grandparents immigrated here uneducated and penniless, living in tenements. One generation later, every one of their children was a college graduate, owning single-family homes in nice suburban areas.
Yes, but the whole premise of your thread is that there's no reason to have sympathy for poor people, and you've repeatedly stated that remaining poor is a choice. But now you do acknowledge that a person could be actively and correctly seeking to overcome poverty, and not achieve the goal in their lifetime. I'd say that's the sort of scenario anyone who's not a sociopath could sympathize with, a person who strives and yet does not get to enjoy the fruit of their labor.
Also, what children? They're not allowed to have children, remember?
My parents didn't do all of those things and now I'm not poor, so this NEVER thing is clearly overstated.
Sure, but you're making blanket statements that encompass everyone. Therefore if there are any exceptions, you're incorrect.
Why wouldn't they get to enjoy the fruits of their labor?
My grandparents immigrated here uneducated and penniless, living in tenements. One generation later, every one of their children was a college graduate, owning single-family homes in nice suburban areas.
Why work hard when you can just blame confederate statues and flags for oppressing you?
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