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Old 08-05-2020, 08:25 PM
 
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Still would like to see your source. Researchers in Seattle tested samples from nasal swabs taken for an influenza study in early 2020 and the first one that was positive was obtained on February 24.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2008646

Other pneumonias can cause the same appearance.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...ona%20on%20Jan.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/n...-zero-n1207871

https://www.theweek.co.uk/coronaviru...rus-in-october

https://www.northjersey.com/story/ne...es/3057925001/
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Old 08-05-2020, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Is it possible to be atheist and believe in covid at the same time?
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Old 08-05-2020, 08:40 PM
 
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Hang on -- is 2020 done yet. We are just over the halfway mark and you have closed the book on the year.

That's some intersting data gathering -- lol.
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Old 08-06-2020, 01:44 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Thank you.

1. I'll take that one with a grain of salt. As the article says,

"Dr Joan Ramon Villalbi of the Spanish Society for Public Health and Sanitary Administration told Reuters it was still early to draw definitive conclusions.

'When it’s just one result, you always want more data, more studies, more samples to confirm it and rule out a laboratory error or a methodological problem,' he said.

There was the potential for a false positive due to the virus’ similarities with other respiratory infections."

2. This one is plausible. It will be interesting to see where some of the patients from 2019 may have traveled and whether they have any common contacts. However, it is based on x-rays, not viral testing, and cannot be definitive. The article is from May and I can find no follow up since.

3. High probability. Question: where did Elodie and her teammates go in France when they returned from Wuhan? Apparently at least one other person was infected. I looked at her Facebook page and she is quite an accomplished athlete. She is also a Gendarme!

4. The mayor could have had a different infection in November and an asymptomatic coronavirus infection more recently. It would be nice if he had been tested for flu when he was ill, and he does not say whether he had the flu vaccine or not. A lot of people describe having influenza as the sickest they have ever been. He was not tested for the coronavirus until April. Note the title is wrong. November was five months before he tested, not 19.

Of the four examples, the lady gendarme is the most convincing.
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Old 08-06-2020, 03:13 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Not that many people are dying from Covid.
The 1918 flu didn't have the same level of lockdowns or mandatory mask wearing, so spread far more rapidly and killed many more people.

As for 1%, that's 3.3 million people in the US and around 80 million globally.
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Old 08-06-2020, 03:24 AM
 
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Perhaps the OP meat Spanish Fly...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EMNTXLISoY
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Old 08-06-2020, 06:47 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Almost everyone who went on a ventilator died. They hardly saved anyone. And where do you get your statistics? How many people total have been hospitalized with covid?
Uh, you are arguing with a doctor. Are you a doctor?
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Old 08-06-2020, 01:56 PM
 
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Uh, you are arguing with a doctor. Are you a doctor?
I was looking at statistics. He still makes assertions about millions of lives being saved that I question. I want to see statistics and data. I am not a doctor but I am a scientist.
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Old 08-06-2020, 02:06 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Someone should point out that the ventilator did not exist in 1918.
And it seems to me that a lot of people who are compromised in various ways today, would have already died by this time in their lives in 1918.


But Spanish Flu and COVID-19 are very different. Hard to compare.
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Old 08-06-2020, 02:11 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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I was looking at statistics. He still makes assertions about millions of lives being saved that I question. I want to see statistics and data. I am not a doctor but I am a scientist.
How can I have statistics from something that was prevented from happening?

I could give you an estimate on how many people were saved by ventilators, because anyone who lived after being on a ventilator was saved by the ventilator. But what about all those people who never made it to the ventilator because of other drugs and oxygen delivery methods? Many of them would be dead, but not all, so how would anyone be able to come up with statistics on how many millions would have died without modern medicine?

I do know that we treated and sent home a lot more people than those who died. We treated them with all kinds of methods that were not available in 1918.

I cant give you exact numbers, nobody can. But given that over 700K have already died WITH modern medicine, I can be reasonably certain that if we were treating the patients with sunlight and fresh air instead of modern oxygen delivery and modern medications the numbers would be in the millions.
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