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You're 100% correct you do not need a Class 3 license to possess NFA weapons, only to sell such weapons to those who are authorized to possess them.
But whatever you want to call it you still need to apply to complete the required paperwork along with finger print cards, and pay a $200 tax stamp for each registered weapon. All I did was post that information. Here's more of that for anyone who's interested.
Technically it's not a license but for all intents and purposes it is. You still need the government's permission of which you have to apply in order to possess such weapons. Just as you need the government's permission to drive a car or to operate specific types of vehicles or even own a handgun in state's where they have to be registered and need a permit just to possess one.
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Form 4 - ATF Home Page https://search.yahoo.com/search?p=AT...p=mss&ei=UTF-8
Form 4 - Application for Tax Paid Transfer and Registration of Firearm (ATF Form 5320.4) Download Form 4 - Application for Tax Paid Transfer and Registration of Firearm (ATF Form 5320.4) (1.59 MB) *Application for tax paid transfer and registration of firearm used to request approval to transfer a NFA firearm subject to transfer tax liability.
The Ultimate Guide To The ATF Form 4 - FFL License https://www.ffl123.com/atf-form-4/
Mar 20, 2020 · The ATF Form 4 or “Application for Tax Paid Transfer and Registration of Firearm” is an ATF form for handling the registration and transfer of NFA items under certain circumstances. If you are filling out the ATF Form 4, it means you are purchasing an already made NFA item like a silencer, SBR or AOW.
ATF Form 4: Understanding NFA Transfers – Silencer Central https://www.silencercentral.com/blog...nfa-transfers/
Oct 23, 2019 · ATF Form 4 is one of the most common forms that NFA firearms and silencer buyers will encounter. It’s the form that has to be filled out to transfer an NFA item like a silencer from the owner to the buyer. Often times this will be a dealer selling to a customer.
Class 3 Firearms License: The Complete Guide – Silencer Central https://www.silencercentral.com/blog...omplete-guide/
Apr 08, 2020 · There is a lot of confusion and even outright misinformation about what is often known as a “Class 3 Firearms License” or “Class 3 License.” Usually when people speak of a Class 3 license they are referring to a special form of licensing that allows for the sale of NFA items like silencers or even machine guns. Because there is so much mystery and confusion, we are going to break the whole thing down and by the time you finish reading this guide, you’ll have a much better ...
Some state's prohibit NFA weapons ownership altogether, some require a license. Here's a breakdown of that:
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State NFA Restrictions - 3G Tactical https://3gtactical.com/nfa/nfa-state-restrictions
The laws regarding NFA (Class III) items vary from state to state. Most states allow the owership and possesion of Title II Class III item with provisions Some states prohibit the possession of any Title II Class III item. We have compiled a list of the states and their requirements as a guide. Please be aware that this information does change.
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Lol....this is really laughable. If one is willing to break multiple state and federal firearms laws buy running guns across state lines, carrying illegally and selling illegally do you really think one big country wide blanket firearm law will be the big difference that the criminals will follow ? That takes some serious mental gymnastics to believe that one.
Not only that but do they really think that any of that will stop anyone who intends to commit a Capital crime? Or that criminals will be rushing in to surrender their weapons? No, gun control is all about the Left's quest for absolute power and control.
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. Their very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be ‘cured’ against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals. —C. S. Lewis, “God in the Dock”
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"The law has been used to destroy it's own objective; It has been applied to annihilating the justice that it was supposed to maintain; to limiting and destroying rights which it's real purpose was to respect. The law has placed the collective force at the disposal of the unscrupulous who wish, without risk, to exploit the person, liberty, and property of others. It has converted plunder into a right in order to protect plunder. And it has converted lawful defense into a crime, in order to punish lawful defense." "But it is also true that a man may live and satisfy his wants by seizing and consuming the products of the labor of others. This process is the origin of plunder." --- The Law by Frederic Bastiat (1801-1850) French economist, statesman
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CAPITAL CRIME. One for the punishment of which death is inflicted, which punishment is called capital punishment. Dane's Ab. Index, h.t. 2. The subject of capital punishment has occupied the attention of enlightened men for a long time, particularly since the middle of the last century; and none deserves to be more carefully investigated.
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I haven’t moved the goal post at all, and I’m not splitting hairs. Not even a little bit. The NFA world can be complex, and you clearly, demonstrably, don’t understand it.
A member of the general public, right off the street, can legally purchase a machine gun. This isn’t false. What is false is your claim that they have to have a “class 3 license” to do so.
You’ve been wrong about every aspect of this. Why do you insist on doubling down on your nonsense?
You are right and this is the way it should be, this is America after all!!
Its a shame so many people are so eager to comply with infringement! Even if there were laws requiring special permits and licenses for machine guns...who would comply with them? LOL Gun laws are proven to be ineffective, why would that be any different when it comes to machine guns/ full autos?
You are right and this is the way it should be, this is America after all!!
Its a shame so many people are so eager to comply with infringement! Even if there were laws requiring special permits and licenses for machine guns...who would comply with them? LOL Gun laws are proven to be ineffective, why would that be any different when it comes to machine guns/ full autos?
Ok, I'm confused at this point because I've been around shooting for a while but more peripherally and not with fully automatic rifles aka machine guns.
What am I missing here, I thought you had to have a special license to own and buy\sell those or is this semantics about "machine guns"?
The NFA world is a bit complex, but not overly so. However, the gun community is full of misconceptions, false “gun shop wisdom” and flat out falsehoods, that continue to passed on as if they were the truth. The biggest of these misconceptions is that one needs a special license to buy a Title II weapon (machine gun, suppressor, short barrels rifle or shotgun). This is just not true.
Licenses are required for dealers and manufacturers of firearms - those that are in the business. If a dealer or manufacturer wants to work in the NFA world, they need the appropriate type of Federal Firearms License (FFL), as well as the appropriate SOT certificate (Special Occupational Taxpayer). It is the SOT that allows a regular gun dealer or manufacturer to deal or manufacture NFA items. Neither a FFL nor a SOT, nor any other type of “license” is required for someone (not in the business) to purchase/own an NFA item.
Buying a machine gun or other Title II weapon is easy, and it is a process similar to purchasing a regular deer rifle. You are required to fill out a Form 4, get fingerprinted, and pay a one time transfer tax of $200 on the purchase. Then wait - could be a couple of months, could be more than a year, it just depends on the ATF examiners.
The Form 4 is 2.5 pages long, it contains the information found in a regular form 4473 (that you fill out to purchase any regular firearm from a dealer), as well as information specific to Title II weapons (that’s not found on the 4473).
The process is relatively quick, easy, and painless. However, in the case of legal machine guns, it’s very expensive. The supply of machine guns that can be owned by regular civilians (non SOT’s or government entities) was fixed back in 1986. As demand increased, the fixed supply results in very high prices. A typical M-16 sells in the neighborhood of $25,000.
If you have any questions, please ask. I’ll give you true, accurate information.
You're 100% correct you do not need a Class 3 license to possess NFA weapons, only to sell such weapons to those who are authorized to possess them.
A “Type 3 license” is for curios and relics. It is a collectors license, and the only kind of FFL available to those not in the business. And it has nothing to do with NFA items.
“Class 3” is the particular type of SOT for a Type 1 FFL, a dealer in firearms.
No license of any kind is required to sell NFA items. A license is only required to be in the business.
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But whatever you want to call it you still need to apply to complete the required paperwork along with finger print cards, and pay a $200 tax stamp for each registered weapon. All I did was post that information. Here's more of that for anyone who's interested.
Yep we agree.
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Technically it's not a license but for all intents and purposes it is. You still need the government's permission of which you have to apply in order to possess such weapons. Just as you need the government's permission to drive a car or to operate specific types of vehicles or even own a handgun in state's where they have to be registered and need a permit just to possess one.
No, for all intents and purposes, it isn’t. Going through the procedure to purchase ANY weapon, Type I or II, allows a person to purchase an item, but this “permission” isn’t ongoing, and it isn’t permission to be in the business. A Federal Firearms License grants ongoing privileges and DOES allow one to be in the business.
It’s really very strange that you are trying to equate these completely different issues.
No need. The Tribune published their report today proving what I've been posting. Foxx needs to go as much as Lightfoot does.
But sadly neither are going any where
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