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Old 08-09-2020, 06:48 AM
 
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Interesting how “relief” and an EO is now a good thing.

Get out of your partisan shells. Please. Y’all are killing me. You accept as good what another party’s act was bad.

Stop it. Stop. JUST FRIGGIN STOP!!!!!!

Start thinking for yourselves. Are EO’s good or bad? Is deficit spending good or bad? Take the time to clarify what you really think, issue by issue, and compare that to reality, how your party serves you, and whether it’s effective.

I’m just so frustrated with how politics work these days.
Its seems you are trying to run the bases while never leaving the dugout !!!
Relief and EO are not necessarily good or bad by themselves !!! The results are the greater issue !!! Just looking at President Roosevelt's EO should make the case !!!
A look at EO from the beginning and almost everyone will find ones they think are good and ones they think are harmful !!! EO are not unchecked power !!!

Executive Orders 101: What are they and how do Presidents ...
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/...ents-use-them/

Every President since George Washington has used the executive order power in various ways.

The constitutional basis for the executive order is the President’s broad power to issue executive directives. According to the Congressional Research Service, there is no direct “definition of executive orders, presidential memoranda, and proclamations in the U.S. Constitution, there is, likewise, no specific provision authorizing their issuance.”

But Article II of the U.S. Constitution vests executive powers in the President, makes him the commander in chief, and requires that the President “shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed.” Laws can also give additional powers to the President.

Congress can pass a new law to override an executive order, subject to a presidential veto.

President Roosevelt issued the most executive orders, according to records at the National Archives. He issued 3,728 orders between 1933 and 1945, as the country dealt with the Great Depression and World War II.
President Franklin Roosevelt established internment camps during World War II using Executive Order 9066.
And President Harry Truman mandated equal treatment of all members of the armed forces through executive orders.

The use of executive orders also played a key role in the Civil Rights movement.
In 1957, President Dwight Eisenhower used an executive order to put the Arkansas National Guard under federal control and to enforce desegregation in Little Rock. Affirmative action and equal employment opportunity actions were also taken by Presidents Kennedy and Johnson using executive orders.
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Old 08-09-2020, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Federal government can't make state to spend money. Trump is ordering state to cover $100 of $400 unemployment.
This is exactly why I said I'd need to research the order/memorandums more thoroughly before coming to the conclusion you did. The memorandum doesn't make states do anything. Here is a summary of what the order does (it's voluntary for states to cough up $100 a week):

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In one memorandum, Trump authorized the federal government to pay $300 per week for people on unemployment. States would be asked to pay an additional $100, for a total of $400 weekly for unemployed workers.

"If they don't, they don't. That's up to them," Trump said when asked what happens if governors don't have the funds available. "The states have the money. It's sitting there."
https://www.npr.org/2020/08/08/90051...yment-benefits

Here is text from the actual memorandum:

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Sec. 3. State Allocation. I am calling on States to use amounts allocated to them out of the CRF, or other State funding, to provide temporary enhanced financial support to those whose jobs or wages have been adversely affected by COVID-19. These funds, including those currently used to support State unemployment insurance programs, may be applied as the State’s cost share with Federal DRF funds. To ensure that those affected by a loss in wages due to COVID-19 continue to receive supplemental benefits for weeks of unemployment ending no later than December 27, 2020, States should also identify funds to be spent without a Federal match should the total DRF balance deplete to $25 billion.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/president...-disease-2019/

Again, the memorandum doesn't make states do anything.
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Old 08-09-2020, 09:30 PM
 
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If it comes down to executive orders to get something done, then Trump is earning my vote. Dems are using a crisis to ram through some egregious spending bills. State unions don't need bailouts printed from my money.

It came down to EOs, and POTUS Donald Trump delivered very well.
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Old 08-09-2020, 11:49 PM
 
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It came down to EOs, and POTUS Donald Trump delivered very well.

And im 100% sure you will be OK with Biden ruling the country that way as well....right?
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Old 08-10-2020, 05:57 AM
 
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The Dems passed a plan months ago. Mitch McConnell sat on it and wouldn’t negotiate.
Trump is lying his ass off.

Link?
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Old 08-10-2020, 10:45 AM
 
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Link?

You just need to do some basic homework to see that this correct. The democrats have been ready to negotiate for the last two months. The republicans had not prepared anything until a week ago.
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Old 08-10-2020, 11:07 AM
 
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You just need to do some basic homework to see that this correct. The democrats have been ready to negotiate for the last two months. The republicans had not prepared anything until a week ago.
Where is the democrats bill and how many pages is it so we can all see what's in it !!!

Don't tell us we have to pass it to see what's in it again Pelosi !!!

No one wants to buy that crap anymore, especially dealing with trillions $$$$$ !!!

Lets not distract !!!
Democrats have a lot of explaining to do why they won't help during this crisis !!!
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Old 08-10-2020, 11:16 AM
 
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What is this "China Virus" of which you speak?

* * *

This EO is likely going nowhere, as Congress Controls Taxing and Spending.

But let's assume it does go into effect.


Are the great unwashed masses going to be happy when they have to pony up a large amount of money next April, representing the "savings from each paycheck" which was NOT deducted? For a family earning $40,000 that could result in a bill of several thousand dollars from SS and Federal Income Tax.

How many of the mere masses were happy about paying higher taxes last April due to the clown's tax "cut (but not for them)?

And what about the $1200 already received. Was that taxable too? Surely people put aside $300 to pay the tax on that.
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