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Old 08-10-2020, 11:55 PM
 
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New York and New Jersey already killed off most of the killable people. Thanks for ignoring the FACT that the North has had an abysmal track record in protecting people from Covid-19 thus far. Way to spin.

You conveniently ignore the fact that deaths among those under 40 are very small and that is where most of the increase in cases are increasing.

Florida has the highest percentage of people over 65 in the USA but they have done a remarkable job of protecting those most at risk.

You can spew that huge garish graphic until the cows come home and it does not negate the FACT that the north has been the deadliest area of the nation since Covid 19 was introduced to America. At some point you run out of at-risk people to kill.

Your melodramatic graphic only shows that states that did a remarkable job of protecting people are now seeing the inevitable spread of a disease that can't be stopped, only delayed. They delayed it.

I can tell that you're not a man of science and math, but one of a political agenda instead.


The areas that are hit first before we know about the pandemic are the areas where you will have the most impact. New York and New Jersey got hit the worst early on. We had no testing. The whitehouse was not encouraging any precautions yet. It was a mess. But as we learned more about the virus, those states were able to combat the scenario. You can't ignore basic science.


You keep trying to spin this as if the timing of the hotspots does not matter. Ignorance is plenty, but it doesn't get you anywhere.


We're now in a position of knowledge, and, yet, some states are still doing poorly. Look at FL, SC, TX. It's horrible that at this late in the game they have so many deaths. It's all about behavior.


And if your post is any example, a lack of basic education around disease, science, and math.
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Old 08-11-2020, 12:00 AM
 
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No they haven't. South Korea has done a remarkable job. South Korea has more than double the population of Florida and they have had 305 deaths total. Florida has had 8,200 deaths. That's pathetic.
What's even more pathetic is that most of those deaths are in the last month. They had the longest time to prepare but didn't.
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Old 08-11-2020, 12:12 AM
 
Location: Texas
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What some people refuse to get here is the numbers are people who died WITH covid 19 not OF covid 19.

They are juicing the numbers in Texas by going back and adding to the count
On the Aug 9th deaths they added 166 deaths from people who did not die on Aug 9th. One as far back as May 4th. Two from June.
Aug 1 -6 42 deaths

44 deaths were more than 2 weeks old
73 deaths were more than 10 days old

Any wonder why the "might be because of covid 19" death rates are not coming down like they should in Texas?
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Old 08-11-2020, 12:17 AM
 
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What some people refuse to get here is the numbers are people who died WITH covid 19 not OF covid 19.

They are juicing the numbers in Texas by going back and adding to the count
On the Aug 9th deaths they added 166 deaths from people who did not die on Aug 9th. One as far back as May 4th. Two from June.
Aug 1 -6 42 deaths

44 deaths were more than 2 weeks old
73 deaths were more than 10 days old

Any wonder why the "might be because of covid 19" death rates are not coming down like they should in Texas?

This is a data collection and reporting issue. It's happening in all states.

People who were in critical condition after contracting COVID-19, that passed away. The deaths are largely due to other factors that increase risk of death from COVID-19 for sure. It was a COVID-19 death either way.


Being in Texas, I get those reports the fastest and I see how it comes in.
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Old 08-11-2020, 01:45 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Covid deaths are a worldwide conspiracy to make Trump look bad because before Covid he never looked bad.

LOL
Truth is treason to some
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Old 08-11-2020, 01:47 AM
 
Location: Texas
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This is a data collection and reporting issue. It's happening in all states.

People who were in critical condition after contracting COVID-19, that passed away. The deaths are largely due to other factors that increase risk of death from COVID-19 for sure. It was a COVID-19 death either way.


Being in Texas, I get those reports the fastest and I see how it comes in.
Revise the numbers so people can get the truth on the actual rate. What is the incentive to not show the death rate is flattening out?

Having something or probable has not been used before covid 19. I wonder what the incentive is to list it? I've heard 25% as the number that should be taken off as starters.

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Old 08-11-2020, 02:20 AM
 
Location: Michigan, Maryland-born
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Seems like in general politicians and the majority of the voters in the South could care less about the value of a person's life. Putting on a cherade and saying it's all about the economy when they have a very weak economy is bizzare.

Looks like through this, Americans have heard which states value and protect the sanctity of life and those are states like Vermont, Maine, New Hampshire and even Michigan. They closed big time but seems like they are opening wisely for business based on the facts.

It seems like in general the Southern United States is morally and economically in a state of collapse. The crime rates in many Southern United States are some of the worst on the planet and the amount of COVID is some of the highest rates on the planet also.

Southern States through this pandemic don't even seem to care about the massive amounts of people hospitalized and on ventilators. They have the mentality of it is what it is, what happens happens.

Many of these Southern States are putting on the biggest cherade of all time. The amount of sickness and violent crime is absolutely staggering, even third-world countries wouldn't allow such an unraveling.

New England states especially are coming out of this smelling like a rose.

The map speaks for itself on COVID speaks for itself. The entire south with few exception is COVID-19 hotzone while New England has rates lower than the EU and the plains are doing good with the exception of some small counties that have an outbreak issues from food manufacturing sites.

https://globalepidemics.org/key-metr...d-suppression/

States like Wyoming, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Pennsylvania smell like a rose compared to the fiasco in almost every state in the South.

What am I looking at incorrectly?

Worst states - Deaths per 100,000 residents from Covid-19 as of August 10, 2020:

1. New Jersey 179
2. New York 168
3. Massachusetts 127
4. Connecticut 125
5. Rhode Island 96
6. Louisiana 92
7. District of Columbia 84
8. Michigan 65
9. Mississippi 64
10. Illinois 62
11. Delaware 61
12. Maryland 59
13-tied. Pennsylvania 57
13-tied. Arizona 57

I listed ALL states with 50 or more deaths per 100,000 residents.

Most of the New England States are among the worst and only a handful of southern states are among the worst.

What am I seeing that is wrong?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...s-us-by-state/

I think the worst thing we can do is be more divisive and attack entire regions and praise other regions, but I am not seeing the so called evidence that the Northeast is smelling like a rose and the south needs to be simultaneously ashamed.
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Old 08-11-2020, 02:25 AM
 
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OP should have tried some self-education. What a joke.
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Old 08-11-2020, 02:55 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Just looking at yesterday to provide context:

FL: 182 deaths, 8502 cases
SC: 45 deaths, 1241 cases

NY: 9 deaths, 837 cases
MA: 12 deaths, 420 cases
RI: did not report for yesterday (reporting only on weekdays)

Surely NY and MA are highly populated states, but I do think it's important to look at the numbers. Per population would be more interesting.

This is not the whole story as the next 6 months or so will be more reliable for making any conclusions than a single day.


Thats because NY already killed most of their likely Covid-19 victims when Cuomo shipped positive patients back to nursing homes.
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Old 08-11-2020, 03:06 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Here are the states that had more than 20 deaths yesterday. All southern states except CA.



Src: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/



Listening to NPR yesterday and they were talking about how "daily" counts can be misleading because it's doesn't represent how many people actually died or were tested positive that particular day......it just represents how many were reported that day.

Someone who dies from Covid doesn't necessarily become part of the "daily" statistics if it's not reported the same day.
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