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Old 08-14-2020, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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That happened because COVID. At 12 hours a day, so much for lack of overtime, parcels are on a 5 day backlog at most stations in my district. Except Amazon pieces which comes packed by them and still gets priority from the service. And many homes and businesses are lucky to get letter mail two days a week. It took a couple of people coming back from quarantine in my station to finally see all routes get at least their letters which were run through automation. But getting a couple back meant our last new hire was shifted to another station in worst shape than we are.

Now we had been told for weeks to try to pull what seems like prescription medication out of the equipment holding the delayed parcels but it is really an impossible situation as at sometime you have to stop and deliver what you have instead of working to prepare more and never going out to deliver. Maybe if a few more people finish their isolation someone can work overnight to work on the back load of pieces and distribute them to carrier routes. But we are not there yet in many big cities.
I don't see that locally. Still a lot of junk mail sent daily (except Sundays.) Lots of election mailers. I got my mail-in-ballot for the Arizona primaries and I sent it back for the following Monday (got it on a Saturday like normal.) Perhaps that is your locality. The only thing I notice is that our mail has to sit in the nearest office until the next delivery day before it is sent out to the homes.
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Old 08-14-2020, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Texas
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So it's a lack of comprehension that's the issue.

What Trump is stating here is that he recognizes the fact that the Post Office needs more funding to help with mail in voting, which is going to be on the upswing this year.

He's against mail in voting because in his mind, it causes more fraud. Which while there is more fraud with mail in voting, it's still exceedingly rare to the point that it's just stupid to use it as a reason to be against mail in voting.

Especially when he utilizes it as well.

So Trump is against funding for the post office, because that funding will go to mail in voting, which he believes will help people who's against him.
So you admit there is fraud in absentee ballots, which if I remember right represents about 20% of voters in a presidential election, but you think he is wrong to worry about fraud if that number jumps to 70 or 80 percent, or worse if unsolicited ballots are mailed out.
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Old 08-14-2020, 08:29 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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So you admit there is fraud in absentee ballots, which if I remember right represents about 20% of voters in a presidential election, but you think he is wrong to worry about fraud if that number jumps to 70 or 80 percent, or worse if unsolicited ballots are mailed out.
Disallow "ballot harvesting" and vote by mail fraud drops to effectively nil.
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Old 08-14-2020, 08:33 AM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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Trump said it himself. NO LIE HERE.
Post the video of him saying that he was going to "defund the USPS specifically to suppress votes"
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Old 08-14-2020, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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It's not as if the Postal Service is laid down as a Federal responsibility in the Constitution or anything.
There is nothing in the US Constitution that requires federal post offices. The US Constitution reads as follows as regards post offices.

"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

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"To establish Post Offices and post Roads;"



So, the US Constitution grants Congress power to establish Post Offices. Nowhere in the US Constitution does it REQUIRE post offices. The authority to do is not the necessity to do. In this modern era, if the private sector can do a better job delivering mail and packages than the government, with higher quality at lower cost, then there is no reason that role could not be privatized.

At this point, we would be better off privatizing the role the US Post Office used to solely have. Fed Ex, United Parcel Service, and companies like Amazon have proven to be more efficient shipping packages. There is almost no "mail" anymore. I get 20 times the junk mail, handouts, flyers, and ads that I get in bills. Outside of Christmas cards, I haven't received a piece of snail mail such as a letter or postcard in over 15 years. So much is done on line anymore, there is no need for letters and a diminishing need for paper bills and paper payment.

The private sector could easily usurp the role delivering junk mail and the miniscule private mail still being sent, like birthday cards and Christmas cards and wedding invitations.

The US Post Office has become obsolete. The US Constitution authorizes Congress to establish Post Offices, it does not REQUIRE them.
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Old 08-14-2020, 08:49 AM
 
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why should he give money to a cause when he knows it will hurt the citizens he took an oath to protect, and will hurt the elections.


He is smart!


voters don't need the post office, they can walk their little hineys over to the voting places. They go to the grocery store, etc. they can just march over to the polling place.
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Old 08-14-2020, 08:49 AM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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You people arguing against Mail in balloting need to take a long look in the mirror, and ask yourself if you’re arguing it because President Trump said so (without providing any evidence at all). What you’re really doing is arguing for voter suppression. You don’t want legitimate voters to vote, their right, because if they do it might result in a Trump loss.

Deep down inside where you can’t lie to yourself, you know it. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Trump whining noted.

There are states that have not taken the time to set themselves up for sending and processing massive amounts of mail-in ballots. Why do you feel that even though those states aren't anywhere near being ready to do that, that they should go ahead and do it anyway?
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Old 08-14-2020, 08:56 AM
 
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The best compromise is to let people request mail-in ballots instead of mailing out ballots everywhere. Forcing everyone to go to the polls is unwarranted due to COVID, but I don't see the value in mailing out ballots in mass.
YES. The right thing to do is to issue guidelines that states should follow to ensure the validity of their 'mail in' ballot procedures.

If Trump truly was concerned about the integrity of the election process using mail in ballots, he would be ensuring the integrity of that system.

Instead he just issues fear mongering about states that are traditional blue states using the mail in process and supports the red states.

Be specific about the guidelines, be specific about the issue.
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Old 08-14-2020, 08:58 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Trump admits his war on the USPS is an effort to restrict voting rights.
It's an attempt to restrict voting methods.
And it's a darned good idea. Those who cannot vote in person should get an absentee ballot.
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Old 08-14-2020, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Richmond, VA
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Trump whining noted.

There are states that have not taken the time to set themselves up for sending and processing massive amounts of mail-in ballots. Why do you feel that even though those states aren't anywhere near being ready to do that, that they should go ahead and do it anyway?
Trumpeteer boot licking noted.

If a state isn’t ready they shouldn’t do it. President Trump is not a reliable witness or source for determining which are or aren’t. Governors should be, and the capability of the postal service, which is being degraded directly by the President’s actions, should not be a factor. Just the capability of a state to print ballots and count the returned ones. Note these two items are directly tied to postal service capability.

He’s deliberately suppressing votes. You know it.
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