Multiple Studies: Masks Don’t Work (legal, how much, dollar, government)

[Listener2307]

Originally Posted by newtovenice

You do understand what happens in surgery right? You're completely cut open with no barrier -- your skin -- to protect you from infection/disease?

Or do you think normal, healthy people with their skin intact have the exact same risk of infection as sick people in a hospital who are being cut open???

Uh, yeah.
I once caught the flu from a friend. My skin was intact.

[yspobo]

Originally Posted by MattCW

I wouldn't doubt that they actually increase viral transmission due to the venturi effect. When "droplets" get caught, that leaves less area for air to pass which increases the velocity of the air as well as its spread. Best example people can relate to is putting your thumb over the end of a hose. Thumb off, it's a pretty laminar flow that only goes a short distance. Stick your thumb partially over and you now have a spray reaching 10+ feet.

Or maybe the virus gets into the mask and increases the viral load whereas it wouldn't have been trapped up against your airways had you not worn the mask.

[natalie469]

Originally Posted by Kristinas_Cap

For the last time, masks are about optics and making people feel good. So just wear the freaking mask and people will feel good about themselves

It's not about making anyone feel good. It's about caring for your fellow man. Do a test. How far do your germs go when you cough or sneeze with a mask versus without a mask. Watch a video, it's pretty amazing how masks works to contain your germs

[Ibginnie]

Originally Posted by BruSan

So that's why they've been worn by surgeons performing hours long operations for over 100 years now - a feel good about themselves panacea?

Originally Posted by newtovenice

You do understand what happens in surgery right? You're completely cut open with no barrier -- your skin -- to protect you from infection/disease?

Or do you think normal, healthy people with their skin intact have the exact same risk of infection as sick people in a hospital who are being cut open???

Originally Posted by ClaraC

Exactly.

Apparently the surgeons and nurses are all virtue-signaling for no real purpose.

Originally Posted by branDcalf

So their boogers and saliva don't fall onto and into the surgical field.

Surgical like (the blue, green, or white paper things most people wear) are for use in sterile areas. Like operating suites. Of little use against viruses and bacterium.

Originally Posted by blahblahyoutoo

i'll watch the videob later but I offer 2 counterpoints.

1. why do doctors, dentists, nurses, medical staff etc. wear masks?
2. why is asia, where masks are not a political issue, handling the virus better than here?

Originally Posted by BruSan

Naaaah; I think normal healthy people are usually smart enough not to question over 100 yeas of proven practice.

Many medical procedures are performed where the patient is not "cut open" yet the practitioner and assistants still wear full scrubs and masks.

AND; you've just admitted the use of masks as being effective to protect others from infection/disease.

Thanks.

He did nothing of the sort.

The purpose of face masks is thought to be two-fold: to prevent the passage of germs from the surgeon's nose and mouth into the patient's wound and to protect the surgeon's face from sprays and splashes from the patient. Face masks are thought to make wound infections after surgery less likely.

As a result, we recommend caution in extrapolating their findings to contemporary surgical practice. However, overall there is a lack of substantial evidence to support claims that facemasks protect either patient or surgeon from infectious contamination. More rigorous contemporary research is needed to make a definitive comment on the effectiveness of surgical facemasks.

WHEN introduced a century ago, the purpose of the surgical facemask was to provide protection for the patient from surgical wound infections. But is there evidence that face masks prevent wound infections? A recent review concluded that it is not clear whether face masks prevent surgical wound infections,1 and the scientific evidence for this practice is weak and insufficient...

First, let's be clear. The premise that surgeons wearing masks serves as evidence that "masks must work to prevent viral transmission" is a logical fallacy that I would classify as an argument of false equivalence, or comparing "apples to oranges."
Although surgeons do wear masks to prevent their respiratory droplets from contaminating the surgical field and the exposed internal tissues of our surgical patients, that is about as far as the analogy extends. Obviously, surgeons cannot "socially distance" from their surgical patients (unless we use robotic surgical devices, in which case, I would definitely not wear a mask).

People should really know what they are talking about before they start thumping their chests. You all do know the difference between an open wound and simple inhalation of germs or bacteria, right? You do understand that masks protect doctors and nurses from blood splatters and other large particles in a sterile setting, right?

Do you work in a sterile environment? My husband and I do. Do you read and comprehend all these studies? We do.

Do you know that many medical practices that were used 100 years ago not only were found to not work, they were found to be harmful? The use of masks can be harmful to some if used over an extended period of time.
Just Google "why do surgeons wear masks." There are over 1.6 million results with most being scientific studies. Read and learn. Believe the science.

[jonbenson]

Originally Posted by SuperSoul

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNfq...ature=emb_logo




Ben Swann

According to The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Swann's Reality Check program had "often veered into alt-right conspiracy theories
Swann has reported on many conspiracy theories and false claims, several of which are aligned with narratives pushed by his former employer, the Russian state-run RT such as his video on face masks. On his personal YouTube channel, Swann posted videos discussing debunked conspiracy theories about the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, including a conspiracy theory that shooter did not commit the act alone.

He later dedicated a Reality Check segment to the debunked Pizzagate conspiracy theory that emerged during the 2016 United States presidential election cycle, contending that Pizzagate may have been true, and called for a police investigation of the allegations.


Fact Check: Video Claiming 'Multiple Scientific Studies' Show Masks Don't Work Uses Old Data, Ignores Current Science On COVID-19
Hoax Alert
Jul 20, 2020


The video actually conflicts with the quickly developing science surrounding a virus and disease that has killed more than 140,000 people in the U.S. and nearly 607,000 worldwide as of July 20. The video, for example, relies on studies "done over the past decade -- one in 2009, 2010, 2012, 2016, 2017, 2019, and yes, even this year in 2020." All of these were done prior to the spread of the current pandemic, and all focused in influenza or other viruses or diseases -- not the novel coronavirus. Or it cites studies that deal exclusively with healthcare workers using cloth versus surgical masks, not regular people out in public during a pandemic.


Simply put, Swann focuses on a few studies that indicate face masks are not only unnecessary but dangerous to wear during an outbreak. He neglects volumes of research suggesting just the opposite. And one study from 2015 that Swann cites as evidence against masks was updated March 30 to address the COVID-19 pandemic.

Consider the conclusions of this study from April 10, 2020, about a month after the World Health Organization declared a pandemic:

http://files.fast.ai/papers/masks_lit_review.pdf

Face Masks Against COVID-19: An Evidence
Review
Jeremy Howard

Reducing disease spread requires two things: first, limit contacts of infected individuals via physical distancing and contact tracing with appropriate quarantine, and second, reduce the transmission probability per contact by wearing masks in public, among other measures. The preponderance of evidence indicates that mask wearing reduces the transmissibility per contact by reducing transmission of infected droplets in both laboratory and clinical contexts. Public mask wearing is most effective at stopping spread of the virus when compliance is high. The decreased transmissibility could substantially reduce the death toll and economic impact while the cost of the intervention is low. Thus we recommend the adoption of public cloth mask wearing, as an effective form of source control, in conjunction with existing hygiene, distancing, and contact tracing strategies. We recommend that public officials and governments strongly encourage the use of widespread face masks in public, including the use of appropriate regulation."

___________________________


Nor did Swann's video take this study into account,

https://www.nature.com/articles/s415...change-history

Nature
Published: 03 April 2020
Respiratory virus shedding in exhaled breath and efficacy of face masks


We identified seasonal human coronaviruses, influenza viruses and rhinoviruses in exhaled breath and coughs of children and adults with acute respiratory illness. Surgical face masks significantly reduced detection of influenza virus RNA in respiratory droplets and coronavirus RNA in aerosols, with a trend toward reduced detection of coronavirus RNA in respiratory droplets. Our results indicate that surgical face masks could prevent transmission of human coronaviruses and influenza viruses from symptomatic individuals."



(if this is your man)

Originally Posted by SuperSoul

Fauci slipped & said, “You don’t need a mask... masks are just symbolic at this point.” Symbolic for what?

March 8 U.S. deaths due to coronavirus were 22:
19 in Washington,
1 in California,
and 2 in Florida.

On March 8 Fauci said

"The masks are important for someone who’s infected to prevent them from infecting someone else,” Fauci said at the time. “Right now in the United State, people should not be walking around with masks. There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better, and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is.”


By May 31 there were 103,781 total deaths (4717% increase)

Fauci said on March 31 when it the disease was better understood and deaths had drastically jumped

"I believe it is effective....

I want to protect myself and protect others, and also because I want to make it be a symbol for people to see that that's the kind of thing you should be doing,"


https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/27/polit...ntv/index.html

Originally Posted by SuperSoul

Fauci slipped & said, “You don’t need a mask... masks are just symbolic at this point.” Symbolic for what?

^^ this is what happens when people re-word a quote and then mix it with another quote from another time period. This is manipulation.

[ReineDeCoeur]

I’ll continue to wear a mask, thanks.

[AfriqueNY]

Originally Posted by BruSan

So that's why they've been worn by surgeons performing hours long operations for over 100 years now - a feel good about themselves panacea?

You need 10000 reps .

The TrumpyBunch can't keep up with how many groups they hate . Now it's Medical pros. Ohhh wait. Mailmen. Asians are still a close third with blacks nipping at their heels.

[TristramShandy]

Originally Posted by Ibginnie

He did nothing of the sort.








People should really know what they are talking about before they start thumping their chests. You all do know the difference between an open wound and simple inhalation of germs or bacteria, right? You do understand that masks protect doctors and nurses from blood splatters and other large particles in a sterile setting, right?

Do you work in a sterile environment? My husband and I do. Do you read and comprehend all these studies? We do.

Do you know that many medical practices that were used 100 years ago not only were found to not work, they were found to be harmful? The use of masks can be harmful to some if used over an extended period of time.
Just Google "why do surgeons wear masks." There are over 1.6 million results with most being scientific studies. Read and learn. Believe the science.

Look up who Ben Swann is. People should be ashamed of using him as a source for their argument. And that's on topic.

[EddieB.Good]

Originally Posted by eddie gein

Being one who is rooting for us to beat that 1918 death record of 650K. I am strongly against masks.

We can do it!

[RowingFiend]

Anyone who thinks a cloth bandana stops the spread of COVID-19 is an idiot. And yet, our directives permit wearing a cloth bandana to satisfy the mask requirement.