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Old 08-18-2020, 06:22 PM
 
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Which is Trump's failure, just as he's failed at so much in his life.


The Unique U.S. Failure to Control the Virus
Slowing the coronavirus has been especially difficult for the United States because of its tradition of prioritizing individualism and missteps by the Trump administration.

By David Leonhardt

One country stands alone, as the only affluent nation to have suffered a severe, sustained outbreak for more than four months: the United States.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/06/u...avirus-us.html

https://www.mcall.com/coronavirus/ct...hry-story.html
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Old 08-19-2020, 09:25 AM
 
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It it were severe, no hospital beds would be available.


It is indeed sustained - that was the stated goal of "flatten the curve."


This is news trying to frame the slowwwwwwing of the spread into an unwanted prolonging.



There are only two options: Lots dead and sick quick, and and lots dead and sick slow. We chose slow.


No one chose zero.
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Old 08-19-2020, 09:43 AM
 
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This might be coming back to haunt those who attacked Europe's handling of this only a few months ago.

The US latest statistics show 529 per million deaths, and this is increasing daily, and may well soon overtake most of Europe and the west.
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Old 08-19-2020, 12:10 PM
 
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Sure - if the USA continues to lose 1000 per day, and no one else dies in Europe, then the USA will approach the UK and Italy in about a month or so. It might happen - might not - but if your intention was to somehow reduce the total number of deaths in the population - and not simply postpone them - we'd like to see the solution.



All countries will eventually hit their "peak" whatever it is - until no more natural spread occurs. Until then, whether the deaths are 1000 a day or just trickling in - the total marches unstoppable to the final tally.


I think people are just miffed it's happening slower in the USA than it happened in Italy. Sure, we're catching up. The alternative was to already be there. Never catching them was never an alternative, without a vaccine. The mask, the distance, the closures - never meant to stop it. Just slow it down. It did that.
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Old 08-19-2020, 12:12 PM
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Sure - if the USA continues to lose 1000 per day, and no one else dies in Europe, then the USA will approach the UK and Italy in about a month or so. It might happen - might not - but if your intention was to somehow reduce the total number of deaths in the population - and not simply postpone them - we'd like to see the solution.



All countries will eventually hit their "peak" whatever it is - until no more natural spread occurs. Until then, whether the deaths are 1000 a day or just trickling in - the total marches unstoppable to the final tally.


I think people are just miffed it's happening slower in the USA than it happened in Italy. Sure, we're catching up. The alternative was to already be there. Never catching them was never an alternative, without a vaccine. The mask, the distance, the closures - never meant to stop it. Just slow it down. It did that.
Exactly.
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Old 08-19-2020, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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Which is Trump's failure, just as he's failed at so much in his life.

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Like being a billionaire, being elected the 45th US President, the most powerful person in the world.

Yep, so much failure. LOL
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Old 08-19-2020, 12:13 PM
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And those countries didn't have DiBlasio and Cuomo who uniquely managed to get people killed in the NYC area.
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Old 08-19-2020, 12:22 PM
 
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And those countries didn't have DiBlasio and Cuomo who uniquely managed to get people killed in the NYC area.
It's not their job to handle the pandemic. They had to do it because the federal government failed them.

Start with the Bunker Boy's brilliant genius decision to disband the pandemic team months before a pandemic.

Truly stabled and genius!

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Old 08-19-2020, 12:24 PM
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It's not their job to handle the pandemic. They had to do it because the federal government failed them.

Start with the Bunker Boy's brilliant genius decision to disband the pandemic team months before a pandemic.

Truly stabled and genius!

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No, it IS a local responsibility. And they came up with uniquely bad policies that created the greatest death toll on the planet. The US wouldn't be nearly so high in the rankings if not for NYC.
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Old 08-19-2020, 01:04 PM
 
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The math agrees - nearly 50K of our 170K are in NY and NJ (and a big chunk of the NJ total is from NYC).


If their per-capita total matched all other metro areas worldwide, it would be more like 20K. It's a pretty big dent in our national statistics - and although we can't change history - or bring those people back - you can consider that when trying to predict how the rest of the nation will pan out - and that data says we're at a (more normal) 450 or so per million, with maybe another 15K - 30K deaths to start seeing a serious slowing of things. Tragic but statistically valid.


The end total will make the US look awful - but it's really 300M people in the usa + 30M in NY/NJ. Treat them separate (for predictive purposes) and the numbers make more sense. Lump them together and - well, it is what it is. Awful.
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