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Old 08-19-2020, 12:07 PM
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It is a knee-jerk reaction for them. They were trained well. When they say "Russia!" you say "No Collusion!" When they say "Collusion!" you say "Democratic Hoax!" When they provide evidence, you say "Fake News!"

It really is sad how easily controlled 40% of the country is at times.
I'm just amazed how totally devoid of reason the left has become. First it was the Russia hoax. Now its the Post office hoax. Its been probably 50 obvious lies in between. But they keep pushing the lies.

But I think you are only 25% of the population. Probably 10% of the left knows the other 25% is nuts but is afraid to admit it.
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Old 08-19-2020, 12:09 PM
 
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LOL, really? We're back on Russia again?

Can't you people just accept that Trump won a narrow victory in the electoral college, and MOVE ON ?

Why don't you tell that to the Republican controlled Senate who just released this finding?

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Old 08-19-2020, 12:11 PM
 
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I'm just amazed how totally devoid of reason the left has become. First it was the Russia hoax. Now its the Post office hoax. Its been probably 50 obvious lies in between. But they keep pushing the lies.

But I think you are only 25% of the population. Probably 10% of the left knows the other 25% is nuts but is afraid to admit it.
I can't seem to remember how many Trump administration officials got indicted/arrested/send to jail/pardoned in the Mueller investigation.

Can you remind me?

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Old 08-19-2020, 12:29 PM
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I can't seem to remember how many Trump administration officials got indicted/arrested/send to jail/pardoned in the Mueller investigation.

Can you remind me?

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And not a single one of those had anything to do with Russia.

Manafort's crimes were from before he ever worked for Trump. Tax evasion.

So far we already have one of Mueller's investigators pleading guilty for pushing the Russia hoax in order to spy on the Trump campaign. More to come.
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Old 08-19-2020, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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And not a single one of those had anything to do with Russia.

Manafort's crimes were from before he ever worked for Trump. Tax evasion.

So far we already have one of Mueller's investigators pleading guilty for pushing the Russia hoax in order to spy on the Trump campaign. More to come.
New report, new details, new offenses.

“Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort passed internal Trump campaign information to a Russian intelligence officer during the 2016 election, a new bipartisan Senate report concludes.

The findings draw a direct line between the president's former campaign chairman and Russian intelligence during the 2016 campaign.
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Manafort's connection with Kilimnik was a "grave counterintelligence threat," the report reads, adding that it found evidence the Russian intelligence officer may have been linked to the Russian government's efforts to hack and leak Democratic Party emails.“

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/18/90351...fo-with-russia
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Old 08-19-2020, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I'm just amazed how totally devoid of reason the left has become. First it was the Russia hoax. Now its the Post office hoax. Its been probably 50 obvious lies in between. But they keep pushing the lies.

But I think you are only 25% of the population. Probably 10% of the left knows the other 25% is nuts but is afraid to admit it.
Did you read the OP's article or the bipartisan senate intelligence committee report. It doesn't really matter, even when proof is put in front of Trump supporters they will claim its fake news or a hoax.

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It provided a bipartisan Senate imprimatur for an extraordinary set of facts: The Russian government disrupted an American election to help Mr. Trump become president, Russian intelligence services viewed members of the Trump campaign as easily manipulated, and some of Mr. Trump’s advisers were eager for the help from an American adversary.

The report portrayed a Trump campaign that was stocked with businessmen with no government experience, advisers working at the fringes of the foreign policy establishment and other friends and associates Mr. Trump had accumulated over the years. Campaign figures, the report said, “presented attractive targets for foreign influence, creating notable counterintelligence vulnerabilities.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/18/u...ce-report.html
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Old 08-19-2020, 05:05 PM
 
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Everyone knows trump colluded with Russia. Republicans just don’t care.
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Old 08-19-2020, 05:08 PM
 
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And not a single one of those had anything to do with Russia.

Manafort's crimes were from before he ever worked for Trump. Tax evasion.

So far we already have one of Mueller's investigators pleading guilty for pushing the Russia hoax in order to spy on the Trump campaign. More to come.

Al Capone was not send to jail for murder, extortion, kidnapping, assault, bribery, or racketeering.

He was sentenced for... get this: tax evasion.

Your point?

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Old 08-19-2020, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Reminds me of the movie a few good men when it comes to the truth. The MAGAS just cant handle it
Blah blah blah w3 are tired of Democrat stupidity
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Old 08-19-2020, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Directly from Source material - US Senate Intelligence (GOP controlled)

https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/...rt_volume5.pdf

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Paul Manafort ,
(U) Paul Manafort's connections to Russia and Ukraine began in approximately late
2004 with the start of his work for Oleg Deripaska and other Russia-aligned oligarchs in
Ukraine. The Committee found that Deripaska conducts influence operations, frequently in
countries where he has a significant economic interest. The Russian government coordinates
with and directs Deripaska on many of his influence operations.

(U) From approximately 2004 to 2009, Manafort implemented these influence operations
on behalf ofDeripaska, including a broad, multi-million dollar political influence campaign
directed at numerous countries of interest to Deripaska and the Russian government. ProRussian Ukrainian oligarchs with deep economic ties to Russia also paid Manafort tens of
millions of dollars and formed strong ties with Manafort independent of Deripaska.

(U) Manafort hired and worked increasingly closely with a Russian national, Konstantin
Kilimnik. Kilimnik is a Russian intelligence officer. Kilimnik became an integral part of
Manafort's operations in Ukraine and Russia, serving as Manafort's primary liaison to Deripaska
and eventually managing Manafort's office in Kyiv. Kilimnik and Manafort formed a close and
lasting relationship that endured to the 2016 U.S. elections. and beyond.

(U) Prior to joining the Trump Campaign in March 2016 and continuing throughout his
time 6n the Campaign, Manafort directly and indirectly communicated with Kilimnik, Deripaska,
and the pro-Russian oligarchs in Ukraine. On numerous occasions, Manafort sought to secretly
share internal Campaign information with Kilimnik. The Committee was unable to reliably
determine why Manafort shared sensitive internal polling data or Campaign strategy with
Kilimnik or with whom Kilimnik further shared that information. The Committee had limited
insight into Kilimnik's communications with Manafort and into Kilimnik's communications with
other individuals connected to Russian influence operations, all of whom used communications
security practices. The Committee obtained some information suggesting Kilimnik may have
been connected to the GRU's hack and leak operation targeting the 2016 U.S. election.

Beginning while he was Campaign chairman and continuing until at least 2018 Manafort discussed with Kilimnik a peace plan for eastern Ukraine that benefited the Kremlin

After the election, Manafort continued to coordinate with
Russian persons, particularly Kilimnik and other individuals close to Deripaska, in an effort to
undertake activities on their behalf. Manafort worked with Kilimnik starting in 2016 on
narratives that sought to undermine evidence that Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. election

The Committee found that Manafort's presence on the Campaign and proximity to
Trump created opportunities for Russian intelligence services to exert influence over, and
acquire confidential information on, the Trump Campaign. Taken as a whole, Manafort's high level access and willingness to share information with individuals closely affiliated with the
Russian intelligence services, particularly Kilimnik and associates of Oleg Deripaska,
represented a grave counterintelligence threat.

Hack and Leak
(U) The Committee found that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the Russian
effort to hack computer networks and accounts affiliated with the Democratic Party and leak
information damaging to Hillary Clinton and her campaign for president. Moscow's intent was
to harm the Clinton Campaign, tarnish an expected Clinton presidential administration, help the
Trump Campaign after Trump became the presumptive Republican nominee, and undermine the
U.S. democratic process.
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