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Old 08-19-2020, 10:13 AM
 
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Interesting post on Podesta and Dems scenarios for what they will do if they don't get the votes needed to overthrow Trump:



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There was a group of former top government officials in which they called themselves the Transition Integrity Project where they played a game as they did at EVENT 201 for this virus. They had four possible scenarios, which even include one that looked like 2016 where they would lose the Electoral College. Mr. Podesta played Mr. Biden, and he responded that his party wouldn’t let him concede as Hillary had done alleging voter suppression. Podesta then persuaded the governors of Wisconsin and Michigan to send pro-Biden electors to the Electoral College to change the vote.

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/i...military-coup/
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Old 08-19-2020, 10:16 AM
 
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The electoral system is there for a reason, it expressly allows for the election of a president by state-weighted proportion even if the total popular vote is for another candidate. It's not a bug, it's a feature. If you violate that constitutional rule then all the states have no obligation to stay in the union, it was a condition of federalism.

This was a forward looking concept by the framers, who were well schooled on history and the destructive tendencies of the mob. The electoral college is a check against the mob, which we need right now more than any time in history
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Old 08-19-2020, 10:21 AM
 
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The electoral system is there for a reason, it expressly allows for the election of a president by state-weighted proportion even if the total popular vote is for another candidate. It's not a bug, it's a feature. If you violate that constitutional rule then all the states have no obligation to stay in the union, it was a condition of federalism.

This was a forward looking concept by the framers, who were well schooled on history and the destructive tendencies of the mob. The electoral college is a check against the mob, which we need right now more than any time in history
Indeed, and that is why the progressive/left is working tirelessly to eliminate the Electoral College and implement direct democracy (aka mob rule).
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Old 08-19-2020, 10:24 AM
 
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The electoral system is there for a reason, it expressly allows for the election of a president by state-weighted proportion even if the total popular vote is for another candidate. It's not a bug, it's a feature. If you violate that constitutional rule then all the states have no obligation to stay in the union, it was a condition of federalism.

They would rather break up the US than see Trump re-elected. That is what it has come down to and what it might come down to in reality.
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Old 08-19-2020, 10:38 AM
 
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They would rather break up the US than see Trump re-elected. That is what it has come down to and what it might come down to in reality.
The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.


"Wherever the real power in a government lies, there is a danger of oppression. In our government, the real power lies in the majority of the Community...
Government is the mere instrument of the major number of constituents.”


Quote: James Madison
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Old 08-19-2020, 04:25 PM
 
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I think the reason Biden choose Harris was the idea of running up the California vote count. Imagine the day after the election where in Biden looses the EC but wins the popular vote by 6 million or more, but 5 million of the lead is all CA. There will be no stop calls for ending the EC, but never any media mention of where the votes landed.
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Old 08-20-2020, 08:41 AM
 
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Um, an opponent does not need to concede. It's a courtesy. And Biden will do so graciously in the scenario you paint.
Well normally yes, but the OP is making the point that the Democrats are going to attempt legal maneuvers to invalidate the electoral college and force a result in their favor
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Old 08-20-2020, 08:54 AM
 
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Interesting post on Podesta and Dems scenarios for what they will do if they don't get the votes needed to overthrow Trump:






https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/i...military-coup/
This thread and the linked article have several flaws:

"Podesta then persuaded the governors of Wisconsin and Michigan to send pro-Biden electors to the Electoral College to change the vote."

Each state has its own rules about how electors are chosen. I doubt that Governors in Michigan and Wisconsin have the authority to appoint electors that contradict the outcome of the election in those states.

"They also played out a scenario where a Trump victory would lead to California, Oregon, and Washington moving to secede from the United States"

That is clearly not going to happen

"He also played that if the Electoral College could not make a decision because of the delays from the mail-in votes, then the House leader, Pelosi, would name Mr. Biden president. The Senate and White House would reject that and support Mr. Trump. At that point, Podesta would turn to the military to remove Trump."

In this scenario it is the House of Representatives, not the Speaker, who decides who is President (see 12th amendment). In this special election, each state delegation gets one vote, which actually favors the Republicans.

Finally, if there was a scenario under which Biden was legally elected President and called on the military to enforce it, that would not be a military "coup".
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Old 08-20-2020, 09:01 AM
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Um, an opponent does not need to concede. It's a courtesy. And Biden will do so graciously in the scenario you paint.
Just like Gore and Clinton did? And Abrams in Georgia and that druggie who the Dems put up for Florida governor?
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Old 08-20-2020, 09:09 AM
 
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I think the reason Biden choose Harris was the idea of running up the California vote count. Imagine the day after the election where in Biden looses the EC but wins the popular vote by 6 million or more, but 5 million of the lead is all CA. There will be no stop calls for ending the EC, but never any media mention of where the votes landed.
Problem with that theory is Harris came in 3rd or 4th in the Cali primary, so a lot of Californians do not like her. They could stay home, or just not vote for President.

I hope Trump wins the popular vote too this time so there is no potential for dispute, or bellyaching like we've been hearing for 3.5 years now. Let's just blow their doors off, then tell them to stifle themselves, & deal with it.
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