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View Poll Results: Is the U.S. really a communist country?
Yes-where have you been? 11 26.83%
No-how deluded are you? 15 36.59%
What-are you out your friggin' mind?! 9 21.95%
I don't care-Jesus should be arriving any time soon! 6 14.63%
Voters: 41. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-03-2008, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Thumb of Michigan
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Just wondering if anyone thinks this, the goold ole U.S. is turning or has turned into a communist state?

Doing more research on income taxes...came across this. Ten *Planks of Communism

If Federal government has the power to tax you 1% on your income, why wouldn't it tax you 100%?
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Old 03-03-2008, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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That page was ridiculous. It made a very weak case that the U. S. is turning into or is a communist state. The author of that page has too much time on his hands and needs to find something more productive to do.

As for the federal government taxing taxing very high rates, such as 100%, I trust that Americans would riot in the streets and get such an idea put down fast.
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Old 03-03-2008, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Your mind
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The article's really a stretch.
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Old 03-03-2008, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Boise
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While the gov't has over reached on private property, taxes etc. we are far from commie.
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Old 03-03-2008, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Southern New Jersey
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We are not a communist country but rather sliding towards socialism. However, the following were entered into the congressional record on January 10, 1963 from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen as the communist goals.

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1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.
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Old 03-03-2008, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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We're much more communist than people give us credit for. Me thinks there's too much rah rah nationalism preventing people from removing the flag from their face.

But to address the broken links:

#1 is a stretch
#2 is kind of true. Since Obama-mama will win this year in a landslide, this will be even more true. The housing bubble will create a lot of capitalism haters wanting "justice" and a heavy burden paid for by the rich
#3 is definitely a stretch. Taxes on estates are only at the tippy top, but this could be a slippery slope
#4 The Internal Revenue Service definitely operates under these guidelines. Before you go to trial, unless you stash gold and/or paper money under your mattress, you're going to have a difficult time finding good legal representation since your assets will be automatically confiscated.
#5 Federal Reserve and heavily political ties creating 2 Ponzi schemes in under 10 years. 'Nuff said.
#6 Oh yeah. all you have to say is: Nipplegate.
#7 Nah, not so much
#8 Exec order 11000 has never really been enforced (yet). Women in the workforce is a communist principle?
#9 Meh, kind of up in the air over this one.
#10 Heck yes. Department of Education and Federal funding is most certainly communist. Unlike the Soviet Union however, it's failing to do any good.
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Old 03-03-2008, 10:55 PM
 
Location: Your mind
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We are not a communist country but rather sliding towards socialism. However, the following were entered into the congressional record on January 10, 1963 from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen as the communist goals.
So basically every idea right wingers didn't like back during the Cold War was part of an insidious subversive commie plot... sounds like an intelligent read.
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Old 03-04-2008, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Southern New Jersey
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So basically every idea right wingers didn't like back during the Cold War was part of an insidious subversive commie plot... sounds like an intelligent read.
Most "left-wingers" didn't like it either. Are you saying there was no subversive commie plot?

The man who wrote it was high up in the FBI and wrote the book based on his experiences...he also wrote "The Naked Capitalist"...sounds like that would be more up youralley.
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Old 03-04-2008, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Sounds to me like the neoconservatives have done most of these examples of "COMMUNISM." The problem is not communist or capitalist but Democratic Republic or Fascist Tryanny. One set are economic the other set are political. They should not be mixed up.
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Old 03-04-2008, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Southern New Jersey
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Economic and personal freedom cannot be separated, you cannot have one without the other.

Yes, the neocons and liberals have caused most of the advancement toward the 10 planks of communism...neocons ARE NOT conservatives.
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