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Old 08-20-2020, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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What does have to do with the incident who owns ruptly? What happened happened, unless you are accusing ruptly of staging the incident which not even the NY Times would do. A bible was burned, it is beyond dispute, and the Times says that it was 2.


The number is not important, one is one too many, and it's not it's that single incident, the problem is that no one on the left denounced it or said anything. They do not dare challenge the collectivist rioters who by their own admission are trying to tear down the country
Honestly. I don't give a damn if someone burns a bible, a torah or quaran. I am against burning all books, but if someone burns one in protest, I'm fine with that.

The video you posted is Russian. Yes, 2 bibles were burned in protest. You can clutch your pearls, I am not so inclined.

Religion has done more to tear this country apart than most things, and it is the case historically also.

I'm all for people and their religion, as long as you keep it private. I don't want it to have anything to do with my government.
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Old 08-20-2020, 11:13 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Honestly. I don't give a damn if someone burns a bible, a torah or quaran. I am against burning all books, but if someone burns one in protest, I'm fine with that.

The video you posted is Russian. Yes, 2 bibles were burned in protest. You can clutch your pearls, I am not so inclined.
Well at least you're honest enough to admit burning books is a problem. As shown in the OP, it is not one incident, it is part of a larger pattern. That pattern is the same one that emerged at the beginning of the 20th century in Russia where religion was seen as a threat to communist ideology and almost completely stamped out
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Old 08-20-2020, 11:17 AM
 
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I'll be honest, I haven't said "Under God" during the pledge since 6th grade while I was in Catholic School. I recognized the ridiculousness of it then. What does God have to do with our country? Many people think "everything." Maybe in your life. The world would be a better place if religion was something within oneself and remained there.

I haven't raised my kids to be atheist. I figure, I'll let them decide on their own what they believe in. Right now, one believes in reincarnation. Another believes in Thor (which is pretty cool). And the last doesn't see the reason why we need to "believe" in anything. They have asked me why we say "Under God" during the pledge at school. I didn't get into the long explanation of it, but it is sort of like most rituals. Eventually, they lose their meaning. We just drone on when we say certain parts of it.

I'm very proud of my country. I don't feel the need to include "God" in it. I don't know what "God" has added to America so far. It isn't like we broke away from England over "God." Maybe it was an excuse afterwards to justify it to some people. Divine Providence did not deliver our country. Grit and determination by generation after generation did. I can pledge my allegiance to that and to the promise that we will stay united even with our differences. But, not to "God."
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Old 08-20-2020, 11:21 AM
 
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Well at least you're honest enough to admit burning books is a problem. As shown in the OP, it is not one incident, it is part of a larger pattern. That pattern is the same one that emerged at the beginning of the 20th century in Russia where religion was seen as a threat to communist ideology and almost completely stamped out
Personally I am against burning books. If I want to burn Dr. Seuss in protest of something, that is my right.

I can also burn a bible. We have that right. It's just a book.
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Old 08-20-2020, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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It shouldn’t be in the pledge. It wasn’t there to begin with.
Francis Bellamy, a Christian Socialist * and minister, wrote the Pledge in 1892. It did not reference the flag nor God.

The flag was added in 1923.

God was added in 1954.


* Christian Socialism is a combination of a religious and political ideology that promotes sharing, equality of people. and uses the Bible to do it.
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Old 08-20-2020, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I'll be honest, I haven't said "Under God" during the pledge since 6th grade while I was in Catholic School. I recognized the ridiculousness of it then. What does God have to do with our country? Many people think "everything." Maybe in your life. The world would be a better place if religion was something within oneself and remained there.

I haven't raised my kids to be atheist. I figure, I'll let them decide on their own what they believe in. Right now, one believes in reincarnation. Another believes in Thor (which is pretty cool). And the last doesn't see the reason why we need to "believe" in anything. They have asked me why we say "Under God" during the pledge at school. I didn't get into the long explanation of it, but it is sort of like most rituals. Eventually, they lose their meaning. We just drone on when we say certain parts of it.

I'm very proud of my country. I don't feel the need to include "God" in it. I don't know what "God" has added to America so far. It isn't like we broke away from England over "God." Maybe it was an excuse afterwards to justify it to some people. Divine Providence did not deliver our country. Grit and determination by generation after generation did. I can pledge my allegiance to that and to the promise that we will stay united even with our differences. But, not to "God."
We did not recite the Pledge in the Catholic schools I attended.

I was introduced to it in public school.

I have no recollection of ever reciting it. I do stand in silence out of respect for other people’s beliefs that the words mean something to them.
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Old 08-20-2020, 11:38 AM
 
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Republicans playing the long game of politics should love this stuff. Politics is like a rubber band....pull too hard one way and things will snap back in the other direction. Democrats have hooked their wagon to basically anything anti-America...probably not the best long term strategy but it’s all they have currently.
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Old 08-20-2020, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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The Antifa movement opposes government. Those engaged are among the least likely people to vote in any election.
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Old 08-20-2020, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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The history of book burning dates back to 2240 BC.

The German Student Unions in Germany and Austria engaged in massive public book burnings in the 30’s.

Books targeted included:

Religious books, including the Bible And Torah

Books written by Jewish authors

Books with themes promoting pacifism, liberal, anarchist, socialist and communism.

More recently groups have engaged in burning Harry Potter books.

Human have a thing about controlling.
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Old 08-20-2020, 11:52 AM
 
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The history of book burning dates back to 2240 BC.

The German Student Unions in Germany and Austria engaged in massive public book burnings in the 30’s.

Books targeted included:

Religious books, including the Bible And Torah

Books written by Jewish authors

Books with themes promoting pacifism, liberal, anarchist, socialist and communism.

More recently groups have engaged in burning Harry Potter books.

Human have a thing about controlling.
Sounds like any excuse is a good enough excuse to burn books.
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