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Old 12-09-2021, 12:19 PM
 
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and the demSM pretends it never happened.

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Russiagate is the biggest scandal in American history.

Nothing comes close in size, scope or harm to the republic than the years-long effort to cripple Donald Trump’s presidency by claiming he conspired with an enemy state to steal the 2016 election and then do its bidding as commander-in-chief.

Its notorious predecessors – L’Affaire Lewinsky, Iran-Contra, Watergate, Teapot Dome, Crédit Mobilier, the XYZ Affair – involved relatively small numbers of malefactors engaged in specific acts of illegality and corruption (we still don’t know who, if anyone, planned the Jan. 6 assault on the U.S. Capitol)

Russiagate, by contrast, is a vast conspiracy involving innumerable powerful forces, including the Democratic Party, NeverTrump Republicans, the Obama administration, the FBI, Department of Justice and the nation’s most prestigious news outlets.

Where previous scandals often ended with public accountability for the perpetrators – Watergate saw the imprisonment of top White House aides and President Nixon’s resignation – and public reforms, Russiagate has produced no such reckoning.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...st_146853.html
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Old 12-09-2021, 12:22 PM
 
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The Senate intelligence report made it clear there was strong evidence that the Trump campaign cooperated with various agents and actors aligned with Russia's interest. Mueller only found there was no evidence Trump colluded with the Russian government directly.

Roger Stone lied to Congress about his coordination with Russia-sponsored election interference and was convicted. Trump commuted his sentence but did not pardon him. He remains guilty today.
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Old 12-09-2021, 12:40 PM
 
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The Senate intelligence report made it clear there was strong evidence that the Trump campaign cooperated with various agents and actors aligned with Russia's interest. Mueller only found there was no evidence Trump colluded with the Russian government directly.

Roger Stone lied to Congress about his coordination with Russia-sponsored election interference and was convicted. Trump commuted his sentence but did not pardon him. He remains guilty today.
Biden gave a Russian uranium company access to operate in Wyoming.

Biden approved a Russian pipeline in Europe while canceling a pipeline in the U.S.

There is no Senate Intelligence report claiming Biden is colluding with Russia - even though the facts are very plain.

Conclusion - the report means nothing. Mueller found nothing. Plenty of lawyers got paid by taxpayers to find nothing.
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Old 12-09-2021, 12:58 PM
 
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and the demSM pretends it never happened.


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Russiagate is the biggest scandal in American history.

Nothing comes close in size, scope or harm to the republic than the years-long effort to cripple Donald Trump’s presidency by claiming he conspired with an enemy state to steal the 2016 election and then do its bidding as commander-in-chief.

Its notorious predecessors – L’Affaire Lewinsky, Iran-Contra, Watergate, Teapot Dome, Crédit Mobilier, the XYZ Affair – involved relatively small numbers of malefactors engaged in specific acts of illegality and corruption (we still don’t know who, if anyone, planned the Jan. 6 assault on the U.S. Capitol)

Russiagate, by contrast, is a vast conspiracy involving innumerable powerful forces, including the Democratic Party, NeverTrump Republicans, the Obama administration, the FBI, Department of Justice and the nation’s most prestigious news outlets.

Where previous scandals often ended with public accountability for the perpetrators – Watergate saw the imprisonment of top White House aides and President Nixon’s resignation – and public reforms, Russiagate has produced no such reckoning.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...st_146853.html


I underlined the "most prestigious news outlets" in particular, that failed to do their job, and that's not what I expect from the media in the free world.

Because when I post even this particular video, that shows the mass protests in the Eastern Ukraine against the new puppet regime installed in Kiev, all of a sudden the whole concocted bottom line about the "will of the Ukrainian people" and "Russian aggression" is falling apart.

What "Ukrainian people" and how many Russians do you see here protesting?

Sure these are not the "busloads of Russians" that came to express their opinion from the "neighboring region" as Ukrainian propaganda of the puppet regime was presenting the case? That would require too many buses, wouldn't you agree?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFmRzvZ8MS0&t=3s



So that's where it all starts, with Western media not doing its job and hushing up the true story to please the masters in the government, while they are plotting their schemes.

The "Russiagate" is the ultimate failure of the democratic society all together, so yes, where are you going to point the finger exactly now? At whom?

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Old 12-09-2021, 01:02 PM
 
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I underlined the "most prestigious news outlets" in particular, that failed to do their job, and that's not what I expect from the media in the free world.

Because when I post even this particular video, that shows the mass protests in the Eastern Ukraine against the new puppet regime installed in Kiev, all of a sudden the whole concocted bottom line about the "will of the Ukrainian people" and "Russian aggression" is falling apart.

What "Ukrainian people" and how many Russians do you see here protesting?

Sure these are not the "busloads of Russians" that came to express their opinion from the "neighboring" region as Ukrainian propaganda of the puppet regime was presenting the case? That would require too many buses, wouldn't you agree?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFmRzvZ8MS0&t=3s



So that's where it all starts, with Western media not doing its job and hushing up the true story to please the masters in the government, while they are plotting their schemes.

The "Russiagate" is the ultimate failure of the democratic society all together, so yes, where are you going to put the finger exactly now? At whom?
at the democrats and their media sychophants. who else?
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Old 12-09-2021, 05:03 PM
 
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I underlined the "most prestigious news outlets" in particular, that failed to do their job, and that's not what I expect from the media in the free world.

Because when I post even this particular video, that shows the mass protests in the Eastern Ukraine against the new puppet regime installed in Kiev, all of a sudden the whole concocted bottom line about the "will of the Ukrainian people" and "Russian aggression" is falling apart.

What "Ukrainian people" and how many Russians do you see here protesting?

Sure these are not the "busloads of Russians" that came to express their opinion from the "neighboring region" as Ukrainian propaganda of the puppet regime was presenting the case? That would require too many buses, wouldn't you agree?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFmRzvZ8MS0&t=3s



So that's where it all starts, with Western media not doing its job and hushing up the true story to please the masters in the government, while they are plotting their schemes.

The "Russiagate" is the ultimate failure of the democratic society all together, so yes, where are you going to point the finger exactly now? At whom?
Western media has always been like that.
Do you know anything about Hearst media empire? The one that started with William Randolph Hearst? Their lies started US war with Spain in 1890. Their lies continue to fuel wars and sorrow today.
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Old 12-09-2021, 05:30 PM
 
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Western media has always been like that.
Do you know anything about Hearst media empire? The one that started with William Randolph Hearst? Their lies started US war with Spain in 1890. Their lies continue to fuel wars and sorrow today.



"Moving to New York City, Hearst acquired the New York Journal and fought a bitter circulation war with Joseph Pulitzer's New York World. "


This is telling right there that Hearst had competition - he was not the ONLY source of information, dictatorial source.



"Hearst sold papers by printing giant headlines over lurid stories featuring crime, corruption, sex, and innuendo. Acquiring more newspapers, Hearst created a chain that numbered nearly 30 papers in major American cities at its peak. He later expanded to magazines, creating the largest newspaper and magazine business in the world. Hearst controlled the editorial positions and coverage of political news in all his papers and magazines, and thereby often published his personal views. He sensationalized Spanish atrocities in Cuba while calling for war in 1898 against Spain. Historians, however, reject his subsequent claims to have started the war with Spain as overly extravagant."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Randolph_Hearst

Plus of course taking the late 1800ies- early 1900ies as an example of "Western media has always been like that" makes little sense, since American society was changing a great deal through times, and so did its journalism/media.

Besides, everything is learned in comparison, and obviously there is more objectivity in the society with functioning multi-party system, than the one represented by the mouthpiece of the *Central Committee" ( "Pravda" comes to mind. )
At least that's how it used to be, until this latest "Russiagate" fiasco.
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Old 12-09-2021, 05:47 PM
 
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and the demSM pretends it never happened.
You have quite the imagination.
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Old 03-15-2022, 09:25 AM
 
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You have quite the imagination.
which deMSM sources are avidly covering it? links pls.
Six years ago, before Russia’s full-scale invasion of their country, the Ukrainians bet that a Hillary Clinton presidency would offer better protection from Russian President Vladimir Putin, even though he had invaded Crimea during the Obama-Biden administration, whose Russian policies Clinton vowed to continue.

Working with both the Obama administration and the Clinton campaign, Ukrainian government officials intervened in the 2016 race to help Clinton and hurt Donald Trump in a sweeping and systematic foreign influence operation that's been largely ignored by the press. The improper, if not illegal, operation was run chiefly out of the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington, where officials worked hand-in-glove with a Ukrainian-American activist and Clinton campaign operative to attack the Trump campaign. The Obama White House was also deeply involved in an effort to groom their own favored leader in Ukraine and then work with his government to dig up dirt on – and even investigate -- their political rival.

Ukrainian and Democratic operatives also huddled with American journalists to spread damaging information on Trump and his advisers – including allegations of illicit Russian-tied payments that, though later proved false, forced the resignation of his campaign manager Paul Manafort. The embassy actually weighed a plan to get Congress to investigate Manafort and Trump and stage hearings in the run-up to the election.
Ukraine Worked With Democrats Against Trump in Election 2016 to Stop Putin. That Bet Backfired Badly.
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